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by D.H. on 04 December 2004 - 09:12

The BSZS dog has a handler for the show. He most likely has a second person fiddling with him that looks after grooming, potty breaks etc. That could be the owner, or a co-owner, or a family member or a friend, or just a hired hand. Or all of the above, and all will be fidgeting with the dog at some time. Then other people come up wanting to have a look outside the ring because they are looking for stud dog prospects for breeding. There is still time, so the dogs gets pulled out, poked and prodded for a quick impromptu stack and show, until the visitor is statisfied. Then there is endless waits until it is their turn. Far more dogs and people are at the BSZS than at any LGA/BSP or WUSV event. Oh and lets not forget the callers that do the double handling, the insane noise associated with it. The person that does the off leash portion of the class. The dog is exposed to many people that are stressed by the event.

by D.H. on 04 December 2004 - 09:12

So lets compare for a moment: working dog - can take his time for titling, in fact has to if owner/handler wants to be successful - only one show needed - if owner/handler even bothers with condition and ring training, it is over and done with after that one show. If dog is very successful owner may make the effort for one more show in order to improve show rating, usually from SG to hoping for a V. - one person handling the dog all the time - training of dog only for a single disciple, SchH - dog enters in just a few events every year - National events are smaller, qualifiying entries are smaller - the dog is usually exposed to one person who is stressed by the event show dog - has to rush through titling, regardless if mature enough or not - has to be shown extensively - thus has to be conditioned for the ring continuously - thus has to continue ring training continuously - dog will be handled by many different people all the time - has to be more versatile and has maintain protection work if going to BSZS - dog is entered in numerous events every year, some of the qualifying or campaigning events are already big - National events are huge - The dog is exposed to a whole team of people that are stressed by the event Who ever gets a chance to experience a VA dog in his home environment? You compare your home dogs that you so intimately know to a dog you only get to catch a glimspe of, or hear about, or see in a photo. If you get to see them it is at difficult and stressful moments. You do not see the hours and the weeks and the months that some of these dogs have already behind them, take in stride, and just keep plucking along. Their owners surely would have very similar stories to tell, how smart their VA dog is, how brave he is at home, what a fantastic dog indeed. Just like you know your own. Its a totally different story when you are looking at your own...

by vader on 04 December 2004 - 10:12

d h well i have to disagree with you on that point ! i have never been to the sieger show to watch these dogs do the hold and bark and the escape , i have only watched this on video ! i never mentioned to expect perfect these were your words , i stand by what i said before i feel many dogs are not true to breed standard, you made a few comments on how much pressure some show dogs are put under to get there sch titles which in your opion explanes there temperament issues , but you never mentioned genetics ! i have a dog out of a va dog and the temperament of the dog is not to the breed standard , ( too shy and little prey drive ) i have had the dog from a pup and put no pressure on him at all in training , i also have been to champ shows and seen lots of dogs showing very weak nerve which on course is not to the standard , most of these dogs have come off va dogs down the line , most of them are not worked at all so no pressure has been put on them either , why do you think this is ?

by sunshine on 04 December 2004 - 13:12

Hi D.H. Thank you for your good work above. Thank you for also recognizing the amount of work involved in showing and training a conformation dog. I think you did a great job. Sunny

GSDfan

by GSDfan on 04 December 2004 - 14:12

GSDnewbie: LOL!!! thanks for spelling it out.

by Blitzen on 04 December 2004 - 16:12

Terrific posts, D.H., thanks for a good lesson on temperament, this GSD novice appreciated it a lot. Your comments on the lack of ability of some trainers to really know their own dogs reminded me of an incident in this area. Not too long ago one of the best known trainers in the US was brutalized by her husband's Terv. This was a 5 year old dog they had since he was a puppy. He was on their bed, she with him and when she went to get off and move him out of the way, he attacked her and savaged her face. If I would mention the name, many would recognize it as she is an award winning author of dog training and behavior books. The dog was PTS of course and she will no longer accept any dogs into her program that show the least amount of tendency toward human aggression, who can blame her after misjudging her own dog, one that lived with her 24/7. Another owner/handler I know, Sch this time, got so frustrated with her young aggressive male, not sure of the breed, that she alpha rolled him in training class and lost half of her cheek. When my first GSD was being treated for cancer, the vet told me he was the first GSD she ever treated that didn't "look at her funny". I sort of brushed that off, but now I wonder if she wasn't a pretty smart woman where dogs were concerned. My current GSD WOULD look at her funny, I guarantee it.





 


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