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grammashorty

by grammashorty on 01 February 2008 - 00:02

First off, I want to say that Hannibal's not the vicious GSD that some of you made him sound like he is, that he should never breed, etc.  I've had him since he was 8 weeks old and he's always been my dog.  That's why it surprised me when he growled at me.   This is the first problem I've had with him and I'm sure it won't be the last but I'm taking care of it, thanks to several of people who posted here.  This is what I imagined this messageboard is for.....to swap information and to help others dedicated to the love of the German Shepherd.  Anyway, I'm sorry that I allowed a few of you to "make me feel" like I had to defend myself and my dog, but I have a couple of things to say to that!

TO TIGHE This is Hannibal von Bruiser?  This dog is byb, over standard, not even 2 so more than likely doesn't have hip certs yet..... and on top of that you are having an issue with his temperament and you needed him back to breed your female?

:sigh::

Yes, this is Hannibal vom Bruiser (Bruiser is our Chihuahua/Min Pin mix)!  And yes we are BYB and I don't see anything wrong with that.  Evidently your definition of BYB is different from mine.  We are not in this for the money (although it helps subsidize the pension!), we are in it for the love of the breed.  According to my plan, raising these dogs will cost me much more than I will make by selling them.  I always loved the GSD's my brother had and wanted my own. I love their loyalty and intelligence, but over the years, people kept offering us different breeds which was a blessing because I didn't have the time then that I do now.  I have found out that the American GSD is much different than the German bred and requires much more time training and working them.  And Tighe,  I am now waiting for the paperwork to come back after sending in his xrays for certification, the vet said that everything looks great though and I trust him.  I am also working on tracing his bloodline (from his AKC certificate) so his pedigree is not finished on this site yet although after your comment, I might just leave it as is now as I feel like I don't have to prove anything regarding my dog.  As far as breeding him, our female that we bred him with is certified, is 4 yrs old, has a wonderful, sweet temperament.  Her pups papers will have the box darkened so that they will not be used for breeding as I'm not sure that her line should carry on for reasons I won't go into.  I'm confident that her pups will make fine pets though.  

TO RUS -  grammashorty wrote: "I took him back to the trainer the next day for aggression training and he's doing pretty good with the trainer."
rus wrote: Of course he is! Why shouldn`t he?! He is a clever GSD and he sees that the trainer doesn`t collect dogs like teddies like you do! The trainer respects the dogs and so he trains them! It`s a pity but I am afraid you are not the kind of person to understand this or anything of this kind... Poor dominant doggie of your!.. His life is going to be a nightmare from now on.

We are not "collecting dogs like teddies."  We are trying to raise beautiful GSD's.  I am now working alongside with our trainer  as I am & will be a hands on owner.  The trainer had him alone for the first week and I have been there daily ever since.  Yes this dog is a dominant alpha but I am determined that he will not dominate me.  I am learning all the time how different the GSD is from the others we've had over the years.  The Akita bitch we had was just plain mean, she came that way from a man who left her outside & beat her.   When she


sueincc

by sueincc on 01 February 2008 - 01:02

The reason the German line dogs are so superior to the American lines is because of generations of carefully breeding only those dogs that have hip & elbow clearances,  show ratings, herding or schutzhund titles, and breed surveys.  Then after carefully studying blood lines as well as genetics they will decide whether or not the dog will at the very least maintain the standard.

 

 


by Preston on 01 February 2008 - 02:02

Sueinc, I agree with what you say about the superiority of German Lines, with one exception which has been well proven to me by considerable Xray evidence and ongoing research.  The SV joint system (a stamp) is clearly deficient for hips and elbows.  First, a 12 month cutoff is not near as valid as a predictor of HD or DJD as 24 months is.  Jantie's evidence further backed up the research that I have seen. A moderate percentage of  hips Xrayed "a normal" at 12 months old in Germany when x-rayed at 24 months old for the OFA stateside, come back with only a fair and a fair percentage a mild dysplasic rating.   I know of a Vet Clinic that has done hundreds of OFA x-rays, the head vet was on the board of OFA and they x-rayed many imported SV registered dogs with "a normal" at 24 months for the OFA, with many turning out not to go even fair.  As far as the elbow screening schema the SV uses, the best research suggests that any uncleanness of the elbows (eg "fast normal") is much more inheritable than HD.  I believe that the OFA schema on elbows is correct and valid (they accept NO patchiness or any indication of DJD, not just un-united anconeal process s abnormal that should not be bred at all). 

I know of several breeders of American Shepherds who have chosen to use the OFA scheme and bred OFA good hips or better and OFA normal elbows in their GSDs for 5 or more generations.  This has eradicated disabling HD from their progeny and produced a very low rate of unclean elbows, maybe 1 puppy out of every 7 or 8 litters (it is much harder genetically to eradicate elbow problems).  At this time the SV will not openly discuss the actual genetic issues involved with hips and elbows or the need to change the 12 month standard to a screening step with a permanent standard at 24 months like the OFA.  This would end up costing the large breeders too much money and raise too much scrutiny to limping in older GSDs. 

IMO, the GSDCA should institute their own system similar to the SV but at 24 months and base it on the OFA requirements and set this as a minimum for breeding, but of course the AKC would never allow this since it would cut into their revenue (the GSDCA should have its own secondary registration process with a required temperament test, but this won't happen, of course).  The WDA seems to be about as good as it's going to get for Amerikans. 


tighe

by tighe on 01 February 2008 - 02:02

dog has no hip certification (but the vet says they're good ....  don't know why all these good breeders waste money on OFA, PennHip etc...?), dog has no titles, you don't know it's lineage, it's over standard and the female's line shouldn't  be bred (by your own admission)  AND you're breeding for pets....but you are in it for the betterment of the breed??

Yes, I guess my definition of a backyard breeder is not the same as yours.  (although I said your dog was backyard bred as it was bred by people who were not breeders just pet people who let their dogs 'do what dogs do')

but if the shoe fits  link

 

 

 

 






 


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