German Shepherd & Belgian Malinois ????? - Page 1

Hello , Well a Trainer friend and I have a ? we have been talking about the OLD German Shepherds Lines and how she thinks the frist German Shepherds looked like a Belgian Malinois . I was seeing if any one new of the old lines and did anyone breed the belgian Malinois into the Lines to get the Sepherds. I know that they were being made at the same time as the Shepherds if so was there in out crossing to the Shep. I think the GSD is a Diff Breed alltogether but just seeing what you all have to say about this. Please take a look at the gsd that are the frist ones SV they do look a lot like a mal. But can you get this with out breeding the mal into the GSD. AND WHAT DO YOU ALL THINK OF MAL AND SHEP Cross for police sport and protection work what would be the out come would you like yes or no just for the working side not for breeding and show Thank you for your time Timothy

I do beleive the dutch shepherd is nothing more then a malinois/shepherd cross.I think I read that some place but can't for the life of me remember where. I do not beleive the early German Shepherd was crossed with the Malinois.

The GSD was created from many types of herding dogs from throughout Europe. And Max writes about and admires Malinois in Word and Picture. So their maybe Mal blood in the GSD. The Mal and the Dutch Shepherd is the same dog with a different color coat. And both are older breeds than the GSD. Therefore it is much more probable that the GSD comes from the Mal and Dutchie than the other way round.

I have questioned sme folks I know that work dutch shepherds and they all told me they are a cross os Gsd Doberman and another breed that at this time escapes me I will ask them tonight again about this?

Actually Chris the Maliniois and the Dutch Shepherd are not the same dog.The Belgian Shepherd consist of 4 different type dogs,the Malinois,the Lakenois,the Groenendael and the Tervuren.All have the same genitic make up minues the fur texture and lenght,color.The Dutch Shepherd is a spinoff of the shepherd/malinois.Rest assured the Dutch is in fact a mix,like I mentiond before,I am pretty sure of the Malinois and the shepherd mix to give us the dutch shepherd we speak of but I am not 100% sure on that.The other info provided I am sure of

Hey Newbie,nice to see you!

Hey Charlie how ya been?? I have yet to not be able to reach my friends but have surfed the web only to be confused at how many web pages for this breed are out there that completely dance around what exactly and when and who these dogs are lol I do believe the friend told me they were derived from gsd, mals and dobermans but i could very well be wrong i dont have the best of memory retainment!

Newbie, I know what your saying with the memory thing.lol... The dutch shepherd kinda side step a lot of stuff,basicly the malinois with a diffrent paint job.All very cool dogs

OK, normally I would just say, “Screw it” and walk away from this discussion. But there are people here that would like correct info…for once. Here is a typical pedigree for a Dutch Shepherd. http://www.bloedlijnen.nl/pdfnesten.php?ID=348 Notice the Malinois in the third generation? Most of the Dutchies in the US come from Dutch/KNPV unregistered lines just like this one. Anyway if you know the first thing about color genetics of the GSD and Malinois you would know that it is impossible for a Mal and GSD to produce a brindle dog. Sorry Charlie.

Hi guys, all three breeds originated roughly around the same time. The Dutch Shepherd is a separate breed and has its own FCI standard. It comes in three coat varietes - long, short, rough (looks like dam had a hot night with a poodle). As far as I know they are always brindle, the rough kind can be salt n papper. So GSDnewbie, nope, not a GSD x Dobie cross, or cross of any other kind. The Malinois was developed in Belgium and France. As Charlie said it is one of the 4 varieties of the Belgian Shepherds. In Holland the Mal is also called Mechelaar. Many breeders from Holland cross any or all three, Dutchie, Mal and GSD according to performance and desired working ability in the pups - for KNPV. And quite successfully. These are not papered dogs of course. The Breeders write their own papers, usually just use the dogs first name. You cannot get a proper pedigree from an FCI associated National Registry, or the ACK if a dog has different breeds in its background. So a Dutchie appearing in an official Mal pedigree is not possible. Just because a dog has a reg number from Holland does not make it a Dutchie. Could be a dutch bred Mal. There are registrations that will accept crosses. So a pedigree could be made up by one of those, or is a home brew ped. The GSD started from some of the old german herding dogs found in middle and southern Germany. You have to remember that over 100 years ago, people could not travel as easily as they can today. Some of the old herding types are still around, though very limited in variety and in numbers. I have known two of such oldies, one was an "Altdeutscher Hütehund", the other a "Harzer Fuchs". I was rather impressed with both. Unfortunately many of the old herding types are now extinct, but if interested, you can see a few pix of old German herding type dogs in this link: http://www.a-a-h.de/schlaege.html Cheers. D.