Sieger show in Canada - Page 3

I'm looking at the results page and I noticed that the "Kennel Bullinger", had no entries..?

I found it strange,....Bullinger has had a few nice dogs and usually does well in the shows.  Anyone know why they did not enter/show this year?......perhaps I'll just send her a PM.....nice lady, ..hope all is well.

CONGRATULATIONS to all participants!

Something rings very true about the posts of the greek, michael10, and kmaot. No, fortunately, I did not witness what happened in Canada.

However, before the results (even unofficial) were posted on the Canadian website, I was discussing the measuring issues with a friend. I specifically referenced one of the reported high-placing dogs who looks like a small pony when standing next to my 64 cm male. Remarkable!!

Historically, I know for a fact that helpers have been offered significant sums of money to go easy on certain dogs. Back in 199?, one of the helpers told me that "xxxx" came to his motel room and offered him $1000. The helper declined--the dog was chased off the field. FYI, "xxxx" was in Canada this past weekend and did well.

First of all, who was the new  judge (and his grandson!) in Canada? I take it that Seifert (who is judging at NASS) was not the breed judge in Canada. As I recall hearing a few months ago, the WDA had given Seifert an ultimatum that he was not to judge in Canada. Otherwise, no judging assignment at NASS!

Yes, the German handlers/owners have great powers of persuasion when chatting in German with the German judges. At NASS 2006, the judge announced to the crowd that, following and altercation in the ring, a certain dog would be given an "insufficient" rating. At the end of the show, I saw this dog's German handler schmoozing at the table in the center of the ring with the judge during the completion of paperwork--all were drinking lots of beer. When the show results were eventually posted on the NASS website, the dog received a "V" rating rather than an "insufficient".

Nope, I'm not a masochist--I won't be showing at NASS 2007 and will avoid most "Sieger Show" venues unless the shows are within a comfortable drive!!

Oh, Louise! Is that necessary?

This is the same tune I hear after every big AKC show.  In October I'll be heading out for a big AKC National Specialty (not GSD's) and have already been advised of who the big  winners are going to be. I hope my 13 year old veteran is one of them, but I haven't yet heard her name mentioned yet as a top contender for Best of Breed , darn it!!!, 

It's a dog show, people, take if for what it is. It's not a matter of national security or life and death. Every show is subjective and one man's/woman's opinion that you can either take as an correct endorsement of the winning dogs or not. Good breeders know which dogs deserve what they win, they don't need judges to tell them.  Can't most of you tell the difference between the helper's slacking off on one dog and not another?

Enjoy dog shows for what they are - a place where breeders can see what their peeers are producing, use that knowledge to make future breeding plans, and the opportunity to show off your dogs to the rest of the GSD world. And guess what, some of you or a family member or a friend could actually take your dog/s into the ring and do OK. Your dog won't go VA, but so what? At the end of the day, you'll have a lot more money in your pocket .

Great post, Blitzen!

Yes, it is a dog show, nothing more and nothing less! If you did not do so good this time, better luck next time! Go and have fun and learn from your mistakes!

Chris

I agree.......it is just a "dog show",..it's just a person's "opinion",.......but it is also what most of us breeder's "goal" for at the end of every year.

Many of us cannot afford to play the politics, or "spend the $$$, because we don't have the $$$.   But a good breeder, honestly knows what they have produced and brought to the show ring.  No one's (one day "opinion") will change the facts.

Have fun!   Compete sportsman like !  Love your dogs!

Maybe some of us can't afford the politics and the $$ cost for placing 1st........but we can sure make them sweat,....when they see the dogs enter the ring!!!

I hope no one stops honestly competeing in this sport.......it needs as many "ethical " breeders and owners as it can possibly have.

Best of luck to everyone!

again...JMO...nothing more....nothing less.

BTW,....Chris.....

I wanted to congratulate you on your success with Gina,...I saw the results in the SIDS,......she trully is a very nice female!!

Best of luck to you in the up-coming shows!!

If you don't think a certain dog deserves it's rating and you see another dog that fits your eye or your breeding program than disregard the show rating or it's popularity. Use the dog you like for your breeding program and ignore the politics. Wallace and Eros never went VA and look what they have produced. I think any dog has the potential to produce better than itself, isn't that how all breeds evolved?

I think that those who show at SV shows are at a distinct disadvantage compared to the AKC exhibitors. First there are many, many more all breed AKC shows and specialty shows every year than there are GSD SV shows. I forget the exact number right now, but I think there are are at least 75 AKC shows held every month throughout the US, probably more. We have a lot of licensed judges and those who play the politics card in the ring will eventually see their entries decline and they will not be hired to judge. Most I know boycott judges who blantantly put up their friends (unless they are one of those friends LOL) and judges who are not competent.  Clubs do not hire judges that will not draw a lot of entries. How many are licensed to judge SV shows? I seem to see the same 5 or 6 everywhere. I think AKC exhibitors have a lot more "say" about how the judges behave than the SV exhibitors do.

Also AKC has rules in place that forbid judges from soliciting assignments, accepting payment or favors for future assigments and are advised to tell potential exhibitors to not enter under them when their presence of the presence of their dogs might give the impression of  unfair advantage - ie the exhibitor is  your employer or employee, a relative, a person with whom you co-own dogs. They are advised to not attend shows to watch the breeds they are judging immediately before an assignment. A judge is instructed to not handle a dog not owned or co-owned by them or a family member. If they use a pro handler, they must instructed that  pro  that he or she is not eligible to handle dogs  under him for at least 4 months after working for them. Judges are instructed to not visit the grooming or exercise area on the day they are judging and to avoid all contacts with potential exhibitors. They are forbidden to see a catalog until their assignment is finished. No member of the judge's household  or an immediate family member is permitted to show under him/her.  You would never see an exhibitor enter the rign and talk with a judge during a judging assignment. There is more, bit I'll show mercy and stop now .

Does the SV have any rules regarding the conduct of their judges? If so, is there a way to file a grievance against a judge who violates those rules and does anyone ever do that?

Thank you, Robin!