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HELP my puppy has dry skin , have anyone tried this dog food?
by Mrs K on 07 August 2012 - 19:01
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Rabbit Meal Formula Instinct Grain-Free Kibble for Dogs: Rabbit Meal Formula
INSTINCT GRAIN-FREE NUTRITION FOR DOGS

  • May provide relief from most food allergy symptoms
  • Helps your dog reach and maintain an ideal weight
  • Exclusive freeze dried raw coating for great taste and nutrition
  • Specially formulated for rotation feeding
  • Perfect kibble size for small to large dogs
  • Complete and balanced for all life stages and all breeds

Sizes Available
4.4 lb, 13.2 lb, and 25.3 lb

Ingredients
Rabbit Meal, Salmon Meal, Tapioca, Chicken Fat, Tomato Pomace, Pumpkinseeds, Sun-Cured Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Natural Pork Flavor, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Potassium Chloride, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide), Sea Salt, Dried Kelp, Peas, Cranberries, Blueberries, Direct-Fed Microorganisms (Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Yeast Culture, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Niger Fermentation Extract, Dried Trichoderma Longibrachiatum Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract), Inulin, Mixed Tocopherols with Citric Acid (a natural preservative), Rosemary Extract, Freeze Dried Rabbit, Freeze Dried Pork Liver, Freeze Dried Pork Heart, Freeze Dried Ground Rabbit Bone. Visit the Ingredient Glossary to learn about each ingredient.

Complete & Balanced for All Life Stages
Nature’s Variety Instinct Rabbit Meal Formula for dogs is formulated to meet the nutritional levels established by the AAFCO Nutrient Profiles for all life stages.   

Calories
482 per cup

Other Nutritional Data
Calcium (min): 1.12%
Phosphorus (min): 0.85%
Vitamin E (min): 118.1 IU/kg
*Vitamin C (min): 50 mg/kg
*Omega 6 Fatty Acids (min): 3.85%
*Omega 3 Fatty Acids (min): 1.29%

Guaranteed Analysis
Crude Protein (min): 35.0%
Crude Fat (min): 22.0%
Crude Fiber (max): 2.0%
Moisture (max): 10.0%

Vitamins
Carotene: 7.96 mg/kg
Vitamin A: 22416.26 IU/kg 
Vitamin D: 2461.30 IU/kg 
Vitamin E: 135.87 IU/kg 
Ascorbic Acid: 63.38 mg/kg 
Thiamine: 22.15 mg/kg 
Riboflavin: 10.76 mg/kg 
Pantothenic Acid: 24.33 mg/kg
Biotin: 0.57 mg/kg
Folic Acid: 0.83 mg/kg 
Choline: 2394.83 mg/kg 
Vitamin B12 0.24 mg/kg
Vitamin B6 5.11 mg/kg
Niacin: 165.21 mg/kg
Iodine: 15.0 mg/kg

Minerals
Sodium: 0.42%
Potassium: 1.14%
Chloride: 0.72%
Magnesium: 0.15%
Manganese: 16.96 mg/kg
Iron: 280.03 mg/kg
Copper: 24.95 mg/kg
Zinc: 203.93 mg/kg
Selenium: 0.75 mg/kg

Amino Acids
Methionine-Cystine: 1.27%
Methionine: 0.91%
Lysine: 2.65%
Tryptophan: 0.35%
Isoleucine: 1.46%
Histidine: 0.87%
Valine: 1.71%
Leucine: 2.37%
Arginine: 2.19%
Phenylalanine-Tyrosine: 2.40%
*Not recognized as an essential nutrient by the AAFCO Dog Food Nutrient Profiles.
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by marjorie on 07 August 2012 - 19:05
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Dry skin- try 1 teasp olive oil with food 2 x daily and one sardine with food 2 x daily :)

Borage oil softgels are also good for skin and coat!

Marjorie
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by Nans gsd on 07 August 2012 - 19:42
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NO:  have not tried this, however, in other Natures Variety formulas they use Flax, and 2 of my 4 get real itchy with any type of flax, oil or seeds so I have not pursued any other formulas made by this company, but I do see that it sounds really good and no flax of any type in this that I read.  BOL with it.  Nan
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by yellowrose of Texas on 07 August 2012 - 19:55
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  How old is this PUPPY?

   The reason I ask is :   DID you notice how HIGH the percentage of PROTEIN is ??  35%


   IS this puppy in high drive training daily, and are you racing him, swimming him, running him daily?

   IF not, that high a protein is unneeded

   YOU will burn up his/her liver with that high a protein over a long term feeding at puppy age

   Do some research on liver and how protein is of concern for pups not working or highly training every day.


   28% protein is high enough

   YR
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by THEskridge on 07 August 2012 - 20:01
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We feed our 15Wk old pup Innova large breed dry puppy food...Always eager to eat and so far so good
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by fawndallas on 07 August 2012 - 20:19
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YR - Would that high of protein be ok for adult dogs or do they need to also "IS this puppy in high drive training daily, and are you racing him, swimming him, running him daily?"

FD
 
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by yellowrose of Texas on 07 August 2012 - 20:29
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  Innova has to be watched also

   Last time I checked the bags of Innova they had 32% protein

   A dog who is not in training at all times and especially in the summer should never be fed HIGH PROTEIN

   We had many threads on here about nutritional burn out of the LIVER if you feed a dog high protein in summer and your dog is not high prey and using up that energy level to use up the protein.

  AND do not bother asking your vet. they are not trained in NURTITION of a german shepherd. FIND a nutruitionalist or find some artiles on here from previous questions

  Rule of thumb for a german shepherd adult if working every day , is 32 is fine but if you are in retirement and not working or summer shut down reduce down to 28%

  When resumming high drive exercises or training, trialing or hunting , in the Fall  or winter resume the high protein in the 32% range as your dog needs.

  I would never feed a regular diet of over 30% protein to any gsd of mine. jmo

  not needed and liver damage is not seen till too late.

   DO some research on liver enzymes needed and high protein diet.

 YR
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by yellowrose of Texas on 07 August 2012 - 20:56
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  1. High-Protein Dog Food Problems

     
    High-Protein Dog Food Problems thumbnail
    Not all dogs benefit from a high-protein diet.

    Dog owners considering a high-protein diet for their pet need to determine whether or not the diet is correct for their particular dog. Different dogs need different levels of protein, depending on their breed, age, physical condition and level olf activity. Not all dogs benefit from a high-protein diet. In some cases a high-protein diet can do them harm.








    Protein Pros

    • Protein plays a major part in your dog's health. Protein helps heal wounds and provide muscle and bone strength. It helps the dog's body maintain normal nerve and muscle function and make cells. Dogs that have too little protein in their diets may show weight and muscle loss, dull coats, and overall poor health.

    Protein Cons

    • Dogs, like all other animals, need a balanced diet of proteins, calories, vitamins, minerals, fats and carbohydrates for good health.Too much protein probably means too little of something else in the diet. Too much protein can also cause harm to the liver and kidneys if they're already weak or damaged.

    Some Dogs Requre More Protein

    • Puppies benefit most from a well-balanced, high-protein diet because protein is so important to muscle, hair, skin and brain development. The puppies' lactating mother also benefits from a high-protein diet as she is producing milk to feed her pups. Working and performance dogs involved in high-energy activities also need a high level of protein in their diets. The protein promotes muscle strength and provides the type of calories that burn more slowly for longer periods of time than carbohydrate-rich grains.

    Some Dogs Require Less Protein

    • Dogs that have liver or kidney problems should not be fed a high-protein diet. Dogs with other health conditions that place a strain on the kidneys, such as diabetes, should be fed a low-protein diet. Elderly dogs have difficulty digesting proteins and should also be fed a low-protein diet.

    Considerations

    • Protein requirements differ from breed to breed and can vary greatly during a dog's early growth stages and for elderly animals, as well as those with damaged kidneys. Consult with your veterinarian before making any drastic changes to your dog's diet

  This is only one of many reads on protein and should warrant you to watch your dogs needs not what someone sells you or tells you you need...

   Consider the dogs needs and what your dog does daily...

    Feeding a home made diet is much safer than a low protein kibble as most of them contain mega  undigestible products to take the place of protein..and also usually have preservative in them so read    read   read   labels.


    Every dog is different.

   YR
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by fawndallas on 07 August 2012 - 22:09
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Thank you
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by Eldee on 07 August 2012 - 22:20
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I especially like their new formula called Instinct Raw Boost. Check that one out on their website.  Also, you can get a 4.00 coupon via download.  It is kibble with freeze dried raw pieces. 
For dry skin go to your health food store and buy a tub of coconut oil.  feed two tablespoons a day.  right off the spoon.  Works like magic for skin issues with dogs.

 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ND8doiVSLDw

This video talks about the health benefits of coconut oil with skin issues with dogs.  Dr Karen Becker a veterarian has lots of these videos that are informative.
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by Nans gsd on 07 August 2012 - 22:35
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Thank you Eldee re: the coconut oil info.  Going to give it to my dogs.  Nan
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by Vermont Lady on 07 August 2012 - 23:39
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The protein form of a raw diet is far different than that of a highly processed dry for one thing.  Puppies need higher protein levels . they need this to make muscle, bone, ligaments that are being created  every day.  Puppies are also extremely active and burn up a lot of calories.

Many GSD breeders (and other breeds too) feed their young pups raw right off, often mixed with goats milk for very young puppies.

As far as your dog's dry coat, adding salmon/sardine oil, coconut oil, olive oils are all good.  The alpha lineolic acids are what shines up a coat fast. 
Dogs on raw diets supplemented with salmon or sardine oil (canned sardines and jack mackerel too) have coats that gleam.
good luck. I feed Instinct along with supermarket chicken, chicken livers, beef hearts etc and do feed some dry - love Acana.

Alex

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by yellowrose of Texas on 08 August 2012 - 00:25
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The KEY word to feeding pups or adult gsd is BALANCED


    Raw is always best in my view and I have never seen a skin problem in any pup fed raw.

  BUT you must feet a balanced raw diet...with bone , and proper other things to make sure and goats milk solves that problem....best source of minerals and vitamins on earth.


   Adding a kibble will help the chew with the bones..raw


  I think people think because raw meat is protein and pups can eat all they want of it,  the 35% on a package is ok....not so.


  Different kind like Vermont lady points out.

  YR
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by Mrs K on 08 August 2012 - 17:05
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Thanks Everyone for you advice.

My puppy is 6 months old (45 lb) and very active.  He's been eating Instinct Limited Ingredient Diet Turkey Meal ( 29% Protein and 1.2% Calcium) for almost 2 weeks and I was just wondering if anyone else had used this brand and what they thought of it . 

Thanks Eldee. I believe I'll try to find the tub of coconut oil . I've seen the Instinct Raw Diet food before in Pet Supermarket here so the next time I go there I'll try a bag and see what  my Conan  thinks. 
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by GSDluver07 on 08 August 2012 - 17:15
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How often are you giving your pup a bath? My male had really dry skin as a pup but it was because I was bathing him to much. I only give them baths once a month and if your dog is on good food which I see he/she is then they will not stink as much or as often. Also fish oil caps work great.

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by BoCRon on 10 August 2012 - 00:53
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We've been feeding Instinct Chicken for about 2 years and are extremely pleased with it.
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by yellowrose of Texas on 10 August 2012 - 01:39
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Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken Dog Food E-mail this product to a friend Average Customer Rating: 5 out of 5 Write a Review Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken Meal Dog Food is a GRAIN-FREE, protein enriched formula with chicken meal and menhaden fish meal. The Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken has a freeze dried raw Bio-Coating. What is Bio-Coating? The kibbles are coated with a special freeze dried raw food blend which provides microbials necessary for optimum nutrient absorption. Key Points: - GRAIN-FREE - Over 90% of protein - Freeze dried raw Bio-Coating - Use for All Life Stages - Guaranteed to improve skin and coat *Brand new image, same great formula! Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken Ingredients: Chicken Meal, Tapioca, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid), Pumpkinseeds, Menhaden Fish Meal, Alfalfa Meal, Montmorillonite Clay, Natural Chicken Flavor, Vitamins (Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Ascorbic Acid, Biotin, Niacin Supplement, Vitamin A Acetate, D-Calcium Pantothenate, Riboflavin Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Beta Carotene, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid), Dried Kelp, Minerals (Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Sodium Selenite), Chicken Liver, Sea Salt, Inulin, Flaxseed Oil, Dried Enterococcus Faecium Fermentation Product, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Apples, Carrots, Peas, Cottage Cheese, Chicken Eggs, Freeze Dried Chicken, Freeze Dried Turkey, Freeze Dried Turkey Liver, Freeze Dried Turkey Hearts, Ground Chicken Bone, Butternut Squash, Broccoli, Lettuce, Spinach, Salmon Oil, Apple Cider Vinegar, Parsley, Honey, Blueberries, Alfalfa Sprouts, Persimmons, Olive Oil, Duck Eggs, Pheasant Eggs, Quail Eggs, Rosemary Extract, Sage, Clove. Nature's Variety Instinct Chicken Guaranteed Analysis: Protein 42%; Fat 22%; Moisture 10%; Omega 3 0.69%; Omega 6 3.61%; Fiber 3.2%; Calcium 2.49%. BoCRun: Does the Protein level on your bag you feed say 42%???? If so, what kind of dogs do you have ...gsd? trailing or fighting or hunting Are you recommending a 15 mo old pup to feed 42% or Mrs K to feed 42% to a 6 month old pup?? I firmly and GREATLY disagree...BIG TIME>... Please tell us what your dogs do daily and have you discussed this amount of protein with a nutritional Vet? THIS greatly worries me..UNless the dog is a fighting dog, in hunt season or trialing and in sport training at the time of eating or on this diet. I have not heard of feeding a home pet or even a non working dog that amount of protein.. Hope you can enlighten us.. Yellowrose of Texas I hope this is the wrong dog food!!!! that I found on their website.
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by yellowrose of Texas on 10 August 2012 - 02:07
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http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/forum.read?mnr=646527 THis thread is also here on our PDB and would like to remind you people all interested in a bag full of SYNTHETIC vitamins are not solving much. ALL the tea in china would not compare to a labratory of synthetic vitamins under the auspice of GOOD DOG FOOD> SOrry but not my chosing and Jenn178 addresses this also.. Natural vitamins are found in meat, garlic, raw meats, bones and not MEAL...MEAL is sawdust off the buzz saw off the FLOOR>..ask anyone on our base who HAS worked at a DOG FOOD packing company..We have had threads about just that fact. MEAL is not MEAT....at all HIGH protein out of a bad is very dangerous for your dogs liver. Synthetic vitamins and the ingredients in grain free listed by two people here are toxi. you liver is what kicks toxins out of the body...there are 100's of other toxins from the ground, carpet, house, cars , air the dog breathes, the toys and treats you feed and you THINK your dogs liver is gonna hold up with over 30 \% protein , preserved with CITRIC acid???????????????????????? YOU MAY think your dog is healthy right now...let;s hope the burn out is later and not sooner.. ALso I question the amount of CALCIUM in this food for any 5 month old or a 16 month old pup either... Yellowrose of Texas'' Calcium for a dog or a human has to be 3 kinds of Calcium or you just loaded the joints, and the kidneys with a dangerous level , and the rest went out into the TOILET>......THis kind of dog food only contains one kind of calcium..a pill with 3 kinds of calcium is not bought at the grocery store either...either or are very expensive.. BUT dog food companies are not nutritional experts nor will they tell you what kind of calcium is in this food...one for the bone, one for the blood and one for metabolism...I wrote about this somewhere else on the db.. YR
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by yellowrose of Texas on 10 August 2012 - 02:12
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Citric Acid::::: just a read to consider........what is used for all over the world.??? and they donot squirt a lemon or a lime in your dog food..it is produced in a plant lab. Algicides Citric Acid is used to chelate copper in formulations used to kill algae in reservoirs and natural waters. The citric acid chelates the copper, then slowly releases it resulting in extended time of effectiveness. Animal Feed Citric acid is used in animal feeds to form soluble, easily digestible chelates of essential metal nutrients, enhance response to antibiotics, enhance flavor to increase food uptake, to control gastric pH and improve the efficiency of the feed. In the slaughter operation, sodium citrate is used to prevent the coagulation or clotting of fresh blood. Calcium is an essential mineral for the clotting mechanism to occur. Citrate chelates the calcium, thus preventing the coagulating from taking place. Cigarettes Air-cured tobacco smoke is often alkaline, giving harsh and irritating flavors. Citric acid and other components are added to balance the flavors. Citric acid is also used in cigarette paper to control the burn rate. This ensures the tobacco and paper burn at the same rate. Circuit Boards Citric acid can be used to clean circuit boards prior to soldering. Although more costly than mineral acids, citric acid has the advantage of being environmentally friendly. Concrete Admixture Citric acid is added to concrete formulations to retard the set rate and reduce the amount of water required. In the retarding the set rate, the Citrate interferes with the hydration of portland cement. In its role as a water reducer, citrate acts as a dispersants, reducing the viscosity of the cement slurry so less water is needed to make a workable mixture. Detergents The largest industrial application for citrates is the detergent industry. In liquid detergents, sodium citrate is used as a builder, to increase the effectiveness of the surfactants, due to its high solubility and bio-degradability. In powder detergents, sodium citrate is used as a co-builder and processing aid. Sodium citrate also contributes alkalinity to enhance surfactant performance. The environmentally friendly nature of sodium citrate is a major factor in the use of citrates in the detergent industry. Enhanced Oil Recovery Aluminum citrate is used for in-situ gelling of polymers in polymer flooding operations. The citrate controls the rate of availability of the aluminum ion. Environmental Aspects Many of the following industrial applications utilized citric acid due to its environmentally friendly properties.. Citric acid is found throughout nature in many fruits and vegetables and is a natural component in metabolic processes. Citric acid is highly biodegradable and is an affirmed GRAS food additive. Fertilizer Micronutrients Citric chelates of iron, copper, magnesium, manganese and zinc are used to correct soil deficiencies because they are soluble in water at normal soil pH. Metal sulfates are dissolved in water and citric acid followed by neutralization with ammonia. The soluble citrate chelate promotes the transfer of the metal nutrient into the plant's root or leaf system the biodegradability of citric acid is important for this application. Fossil-Fuel Power Plants Ammoniated citric acid is used to clean metal oxides from the water side of steam boilers with a two-step single-fill operation the resulting surface is clean and passivated. The cleaning solution can easily and safely be disposed of by incineration or liming. Hard Surface Cleaners Citric acid is used in liqued hard surface (floor). Citrate acts as a scale-dissolver, buffer and as an anti-redeposition agent. Hair Shampoos and Rinses Citric acid is added to hair care formulations to adjust the pH, act as a buffer and chelate metal ions to prevent discoloration and decomposition the presence of the citric ion stabilizes the formulation. Nuclear Reactors Citric acid is utilized in nuclear reactors to remove mill scale from welding operations. HC1 cannot be used due to the possibility of chloride stress fracturing of the stainless steel. Oil Well Acidizing Citric acid is used in oil well acidizing to prevent the formation of insoluble gels of iron hydroxide. Wells are typically injected with HC1, oxidation reactions can occur which cause formation of insoluble iron hydroxide gels. These gels interfere with pumping hydroxide gels. These gels interfere with pumping operations. Citric acid is added to the well to chelate the iron thus preventing the gel formation. Radiator Sodium citrate is used in radiator cleaning formulations to chelated metal from the metal oxide scales and to maintain the pH. Ship Bilge and Reverse Osmosis Cleaning Citric acid is used as a chelating agent in cleaning bilges and desalination units aboard ships. In bilge cleaning, citric acid is used for rust removal. In desalination units, citric acid solutions are used to remove iron, calcium and other cations which foul the cellulose acetate membranes used in reverse-osmosis systems. Citric acid will solubilize these ions without damaging the membranes. Paint Industry In the paint industry citric acid is used to retard the setting of titanium dioxide, the most common pigment used in paints and other coatings. Paper Citric acid is added to the pulp slurry prior to bleaching to control paper staining by sequestering metal ions. Pet Food In the animal feed industry, the primary use of citric acid is in pet food, where it is the flavor enhancer of choice. Fumaric acid is also used in this application. Pharmaceuticals Citric acid is widely used as a flavoring and stabilizing agent in pharmaceutical preparations. It is used in liquid preparations to enhance fruit flavors and to impart a desirable tart taste that helps mask medicinal flavors. Citric acid help maintain stability of the active ingredients by buffering aqueous solutions, sequestering trace metals, and assisting in the dispersion of suspensions. Citric acid in syrups, elixirs, of suspensions and solutions is considered a well established market. The largest use of citric acid in the pharmaceutical industry is for the effervescent effect it produces when combine with bicarbonates or carbonates in antacids and dentrifices. Effervescence, beside improving palatability, can greatly improve the solubility of co-constituents. Plating
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by Blitzen on 10 August 2012 - 03:04
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I like Lipiderm for nice coats and skin....omega 3 & 6 plus fatty acids. I've used it for many years.
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