Entropion in Miami - Page 3

Had a similar situation with Pannus which we all know is hereditary; it's about the animal(s) and their well being and comfort. My situation was not good for the dog as he became blind at a later date and also showed signs of DM. If you want to be your breeders friend so be it; BUT if you want to protect the breed from crap like this I would expose them and info about the background. Thank you for caring about our breed.

Can't do it. Cannot disclose the breeder. I am not a religious man.. but I do know you reap what you sow. To return animosity to this man would make me no better than him. I'm done with this and have scheduled the dog for surgery and have a combat vet with severe PTSD ready to make him a service dog. So some good will come out of this and I can live with that. Mr Breeder, you are not my enemy for you have taught me that retribution is not always the way.

Luke 6 :35 But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be children of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. 36 Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful.

Thanks for all the input.

Hans 

Camilla 

Secrecy cannot be good for the breed or individual puppies/dogs, because the genes will get spread unknowingly (or knowingly), and what is uncommon now, could become common.

No DNA test (yet), although annual CERF can be done.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought part of why pdb, akc, ofa, etc. posted information (good and bad) was for breeders use to make informed, responsible decisions for the betterment and protection of the breed.  Hiding bad news is never good:  in this case, it'll likely get worse as time goes on.

 

 

I am honestly not surprised at all.

Went through your pedigrees of what you produced. You have 2-1 and 2-4 linebreedings... if this pup is one of those dogs, I can't say I'm surprised...

I have posted the name of the sire of the son in my earlier responses to this thread - Held vom Kranich's Hof

A simple progeny list search reveals which kennels have used this male

Kranich's Hof in Germany produced, trained, titled and then bred Held for a few years in Germany before he was sold to the US

I have had Held here in California since April of 2018

The answer is there....

RHumphrey7, I feel badly for you and for the affected dogs you purchased.

But for heaven's sakes, man, given what you're dealing with in these two dogs, what on earth would embolden you to purchase a 2-1 bred [son to his mother] dog??

While it's true that breeding that close will flush out the hidden recessive genes, it also obligates a breeder to be truly ruthless when it comes to culling, and very tight-fisted with full breeding rights on offspring. Definitely not for the faint of heart. That's not linebreeding, my friend--that's straight up inbreeding.

As it used to say on the Old World maps, 'Here there be dragons'....

There is no real difference in line breeding and in breeding. Your dealing with the same set of genes. And I did research back to 4th and 5th generations to see what I was buying. I didn't breed it or produce this dog, but the dog is amazing! and Lloyd Brackett would disagree with you. To borrow a quote from Mr German Shepherd, "There are those who are dog breeders and those who breed dogs "I've done it with a lot of success in the past in quarter horses but agreed the specimens have to be above average. I still haven't bred the dog because I haven't found the right cross, but I will one day. I have owned a cloned horse and I will tell you that exact gene replication doesn't mean the horse will be the same as the original. Total wash out! but successful breeders will line breed, in fact the real breeders who want to set the type MUST use this tool to be successful.

About Mr Brackett. it has been said he “One of the fathers of the German Shepherd in this country and the oldest living continuous fancier of the breed in America (since 1912) his theories on breeding have been more than proven in the Long-Worth Kennels where he established his own strain in the breed and produced more than 90 champions in only 12 years—a world’s record for any breed.”

“Known affectionately as ‘Mr. German Shepherd’; he has proven beyond doubt the soundness of his breeding program.”

https://breedingbetterdogs.com/article/brackets-formula

Briefly outlined below are the ten foundational principles which are found within Brackett’s planned breeding program:
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#1 Learn What a Good GSD specimen is!
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#2 Build a Strain!
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#3 Build Your Kennel on the Selection of Bitches!
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#4 Linebreed/Inbreed Wisely!
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#5 Outcross—But Only for Definite Purposes!
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#6 Know What to Expect through Inheritance!
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#7 Know Faults for Correction through Physical Compensation!
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#8 Use Only Outstanding Studs!
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#9 Always Select the Best Bitch Puppies!
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#10 Breed Back to Your “Toppers”!

Yes there are dragons but there are also dragon slayers who aren't afraid to go there!

Of course this just one man's opinion and you know what they say about opinions! But I can tell you that my education and breeding experience has 7 figures invested........of course not in dogs!

Be blessed Hexe

It is not one of the line bred dogs that has developed Entropion