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by duke1965 on 28 May 2016 - 13:05

AMEN

Gigante

by Gigante on 28 May 2016 - 14:05

@gsdfan

"Any kind of police apprehension is stressful and chaotic with numerous people and other officers. It is no place for dog who can't handle pressure."

Wayout on the limb there. A dog who cant handle pressure cant work pp either.

"A more realistic/functional test would be one decoy slipping equipment or throwing/dropping it in the dogs path on the way to the bite (things a police dog might actually see"

Any video of bad guys running around with sleeves? Can you post them.

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The test I posed if done accurately I would bet the house fails the majority of dogs with "no equipment issues" proving equipment issues.

Susie: I even said a lot of pages ago something like "why not, nobody is forced to train IPO style in case he wants to do PP..."

Gigante: Exactly I would add, every discipline has something to offer and specialised unique methods that work, steal anything that works. That said if I want to learn Jiu Jitsu I dont start with a year of Tae Kwon Do.
 


by duke1965 on 28 May 2016 - 14:05

there is big difference between learning a tric and drives being triggered Gigante, but you and Hans can go on for a page or 12 LOL

Gigante

by Gigante on 28 May 2016 - 15:05

@duke

Huge revelation, right up there with police dogs that cant handle pressure cant work. :)

by joanro on 28 May 2016 - 17:05

An image


Prager

by Prager on 28 May 2016 - 21:05

Susi: As I said to me it is not about changing anybody's mind. To me it is about clarity of understanding what the other party is saying. I know that it is popular these days to believe that all approaches are equally valid . But common sense says that it is not so. If all approaches would be equal then advancement and progress would not be possible. I posted this Sportism thing here because I know some may be interested in what I have to say.  What is always present on forum like this is that there are people doing it differently then I do and because my approach is different they feel threatened and attack what I am saying by sentences like "You have nice dogs Hans, I would be able to do a lot with them my way." Really ? Is that all you can say gsdfan?

Oh btw my guy  have done video of some inside bites with my dogs. I should have them soon for you to evaluate. As far as my video which  people in NOT-know call horrible and you say i do not want to show? How am I not wanting it show it when it is on YouTube?  Thus now you are really reaching and I would like to once and for all explain what that video actually shows. it i a video of a test where   I supposed to just stand there and hold the leash which  people ignorant of these fats think that that is how I train - just standing there. Quit erroneous assumption to be made. 

Thus it is not a video of training as ignorants claim, but  it is a video of  a test which this guy "Mega" wanted to conduct. The test   was showing how much   negative pressure this in defense untrained dog can take. I  personally have no problem with such test even though I do not need and would not  test it like this, but this guy had a students there and he wanted them to see natural inherited defense. This was actually   one of Joanro's dogs and he  did quite well as far as his age (11 mo+/- if I remember correctly)and no related  training goes. That was all.  Ever since someone posted this video,   idiots on Internet have field day with it  since they have no   clue what  they are looking at.  Since it  is not obvious  that this is not training but test it should not been published but it was published  without explanation and now ignorant ones  are passing judgment on something they do not understand and do not know what it is and even if they would know their sportist point of view  would not be able to absorb it. But I will say that non  needs to worry about that dog . The proof is in the pudding and this pudding is pretty sweet. The dog was  trained by me in protection from A-Z  and was sold to PD here in AZ and by age of 3,5 years the dog had 2  successful apprehensions with bite and also had other   several apprehensions without a bite. In the more dramatic apprehension he chases perp for about 200 feet and then under the house through a crawl space and out on the other side of the house about 100 yards  into a corn field where he then captured and held the man there until the handler and back up arrived.  Dog never failed to engage and even certified with national LE agency  the dog also certified as narcotics detection dog which I did not  finished training  but only started it for the LE.  So there.

 Then there are some other videos out there of dogs which were fuck up by other trainers - mainly sportists and I was invited to fix them up which I have . That is what I do. Fix dogs who wo are fked up. it is my passion. I am on that video testing these messed up dogs to see where they are at. Yet ignorant ones are pointing those dogs as a result of my training which is false. My training came later, I fixed the dogs and now they all are successful LE dogs. 

 Of course if someone sees these videos out of context then they can make incorrect assumption which that is what "out of context" always does.   As the word assume suggests  such is  making ass out of them selves and me.

 Personally I do not care about any of it. And I am only talking about is since you brought it up and I am  using  this opportunity to explain what is going on on these videos.  However  that is totally unlike your videos on this thread which proudly claim "man" work and if that is challenged then it is "desensitization to equipment" which is another mystery  since the dogs are being desensitized   by making them bite on - who would guess it - on sleeve.  I am not going to hold it against you since that is how all sportists do it. But teaching dog to re-direct   from one sleeve to another sleeve is not civil work at any stage. It  is merely teaching the dog to redirect which according to your at least 2 posts you claim is wrong since according to you the dog should never let go or redirect to better bite, which is quite a contradiction to what i see on those video.  Then you say I do not like such type of work which is yet  another assumption and again wrong one since I do same training  - except I do not call is "man" work.  


Prager

by Prager on 28 May 2016 - 21:05

Joan who is "arguing"? We are discussing ;)


by beetree on 28 May 2016 - 21:05

Mostly, it sounds like complaining to me because the Sportism bandwagon isn't filling up as planned. Instead, the ad campaign continues.

I had the faint hope when Duke said, AMEN, folks would have recognized the dead horse beating would finally be coming to an end.


by joanro on 28 May 2016 - 21:05

'One of joanro's dogs'....please explain you raised the dog from a puppy, not me. How a puppy is raised is important.


by vk4gsd on 28 May 2016 - 22:05

Prager said. " I know that it is popular these days to believe that all approaches are equally valid"


You write an epic defending something nobody has said, classic straw man.





 


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