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yogidog

by yogidog on 04 May 2016 - 21:05

Hans thank you .I mostly work with type 2 dogs for that reason easer to handle and do there job very well iv already said that type a very good for law enforcement. But type one is my kind gsd and I wouldn't have it any other way I own 5 everyone of the have been reard correct .


Prager

by Prager on 04 May 2016 - 21:05

adhahn:"An 'even tempered' Yellow Lab could not/would not/should not be capable of PP or Patrol work at even a minimally acceptable level. " I tend to disagree with this notion. If proper methods are applied Labrador retriever can be effective protection dog. In Vietnam thay worked as Sentry and scout dogs.An imageA Labrador retriever scout dog aids U.S. soldiers near Phong Phu in Vietnam on Nov. 10, 1967. |

 

(AP Photo) here is excerp from 

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Military Working Dogs

h. Scouting or patrolling (critical). The MWD will be able to find people by scent, sight, or sound. Proficiency in scouting or patrolling requires the ability to detect and respond to the scent of decoys that are hiding upwind at least 100 yards but not more than 200 yards, and follow the scents to the decoys' locations. The MWD will pursue and attack only on command.

 

http://www.apd.army.mil/jw2/xmldemo/r190_12/main.asp#s2B-1a(1)

I hope you will find this interesting. 


by adhahn on 04 May 2016 - 21:05

quote- "@adhahn - where ???"

Back when I first started learning about German Shepherd Dogs and Schutzhund, "Sharp" was a word used to describe part of the correct GSD temperament. Too sharp was bad and not sharp enough was bad.

If your interested, you could look up the old DDR Wertmessziffer Scoring System and see how they rated sharpness.

I don't have any other "proof" to offer you. Some of the European members might have more insight.

by adhahn on 04 May 2016 - 22:05

Hans-

There are always exceptions. I'm not saying it could never happen, but I am suspicious of any claims about a statistically relevant number of Lab Sentry/Scout dogs doing legitimate apprehension bitework. It's simply not part of the breeds correct temperament.

If you're interested, this is from the FCI standard of the Labrador Retriever-

BEHAVIOUR AND TEMPERAMENT: Good-tempered, very
agile. Excellent nose, soft mouth; keen lover of water. Adaptable,
devoted companion.
Intelligent, keen and biddable, with a strong will to please. Kindly
nature, with no trace of aggression or undue shyness.


Mithuna

by Mithuna on 04 May 2016 - 22:05

Its kinda cool to see the regulars being washed out by a range of arguments from other experienced persons. Would like to see Rexy, Chip Blasiole, Clifton Anderson. Slamdunc , and Mike Suttle weigh in on this.


Prager

by Prager on 04 May 2016 - 22:05

@adhahn.
Much changed these days from days of Vietnam indeed. But even today, there is certain percentage especially of Black labs who can be very protective. Not so much yellow or chocolate labs. I am not disagreeing with you in principal, I am just trying to point this out.
take care:)
Prager Hans

by vk4gsd on 04 May 2016 - 22:05

That MWD handler is in an Aussie uniform. Labs didn't do bite work in nam.

Old school labs tho produced some very capable PPD's.

by joanro on 04 May 2016 - 22:05

I obedience/got under control trained three labs for three different house holds fifteen years or so ago. Two were males one female, all from the same litter. They were around fourteen months old when they were brought to me. Those three dogs would definitely bite strangers, were very territorial and in fact, the people all got them for family/home watch dogs. Tuff dogs, field labs, not show. Pretty sure those three could have been protection trained. All three were black and had some size to them. Not weak nerves at all.


by vk4gsd on 05 May 2016 - 00:05

The lab surpasses the GSD as versatile working dog, excluding show dogs the lab has done more service to humankind than any other breed, they surely deserve super breed status.

by joanro on 05 May 2016 - 00:05

Absolutely agree ^^^ Thumbs Up






 


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