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by duke1965 on 25 October 2016 - 06:10

amazing that some see a dog with lack of training, but this is a KNPV titled dog, in fact video is of day of titling

dont see anything special here just a dog with high preydrive not willing to let go of prey

would like to see the dog after OUT is cleaned up

KYLE

by KYLE on 23 January 2017 - 14:01

Was this dog's name ever posted? The dog passed his KNPV exam. Issues with the out would not work for IPO. I have seen many police dogs do the same thing in training. Give his handler the big FU, I'm going to do what I want to do. I observed a dog that was committed to the bite on the long send. I did not see a dog that launched himself taking the decoy off of his feet. For me what is not stated is why is this dog so great. Not a bad dog from the short clip. I'd love to see him grip on different surfaces, go into a dark room or shed for a grip. The video leads me to want to see and learn more. Not walk away and look else where.

Kyle

Riven

by Riven on 24 January 2017 - 03:01

I would load a good PH1 in the back of a patrol car before I load a the best IPO dog any day. Yes I own both, one with a real bite while the other looked for the sleeve. It's getting harder and harder to find a good GSD in KNPV any more so to say an IPO dog could do it is not even a fair statement.

Chaz Reinhold

by Chaz Reinhold on 24 January 2017 - 03:01

Lol. That just shows you don't have the smarts to buy the dog you want, or the balls to tell your IPO helper what to do. You are in control of your dogs training, but I assume you know that because you sound so knowledgeable.

Chaz Reinhold

by Chaz Reinhold on 24 January 2017 - 03:01

Let me reiterate. Your statement is ridiculous. Most of these dogs all come from the same pedigrees. Man up and learn how to train.

Riven

by Riven on 24 January 2017 - 04:01

Enough balls lol pro troll  peaches


KYLE

by KYLE on 24 January 2017 - 12:01

Unfortunately lots of folks in the LEO K9 world are net well versed in the origins of Sch. I'm also not a LEO basher I am a retired detective. KNPV was designed for dogs to go strictly to K9. Sch original exercises were taken out and kept by KNPV ie. the wall. OG sch 3 dogs could move onto K9 work. Then the "sport" of schutzhund and the "business" of schutzhund started to drive the breeding of different types of dogs. But several LEO K9 handlers understand the merits of schutzhund and the value it brings to evaluating dogs. Mike Diehl, Benhard Flinks, Gerald Groos, Horst Dieter Trager to name a few. You have to be creative and change up your protection work. Send the dog into a HB with the helper in the woods with his back up against a tree. Put the helper under a truck see if the dog will go under the truck. See if the dog would go into a dark room for a grip or HB.I have also been to regional LEO K9 trainings where they don't teach dogs to out. They flank or choke them out to release. Cray stuff built around old school ideas and lack of knowledge.

by Gustav on 24 January 2017 - 13:01

Good post, Kyle.
Another difference in two is tracking. IPO tracking is an obedience exercise and real tracking is a combination of tracking, trailing, and discernment. I tell my students that tracking is the only one of the three disciplines where the dog is in charge. The dog knows how to get there and the handler doesn't. In real life tracking a dog has to find the track often, the dog has to notice and sometimes investigate visible objects; as in real life folks don't walk/run in straight lines or drop things on scented track. Actually, it's complete opposite, discarded objects are hidden or thrown off to a distance and the dog must have the confidence and latitude to be able to explore and find out if it's pertinent without penalty. The terrain for a tracking dog includes all kind of surfaces, obstacles, through water, and anything a human can think of to elude capture or detection. This is not knocking IPO tracking, just emphasizing that one is a sterile obedience exercise for points, and the other has no dimensions to the scope. I have been handler and decoy for sport tracking, police tracking , and military tracking.....LE and military is similar, sport tracking is entirely different. You would be surprised how many top IPO tracking dogs would have immense problems with VST( variable surface tracking) unless prepared for it. Many LE no longer use food as reinforcer in many depts, but rather scent through liquids on variable surfaces from the start. Different worlds!






 


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