New German Shepherd and pedigree questions - Page 2

A bit unrelated, but I found this pup to be interesting in coat.

 

 

Both Jag Kvero and Ejko Janarko are solid black. As per their breed survey rating of 5Y5/55 and  5JY5/55 respectively, where the "Y" in the breed-survey rating means "Solid Black".

Fantom, have you been able to see the pics on the pedigree in clearer detail / magnification ? If that is what you saw, that further convinces me that that is what I am seeing too.

Aaykay, ever consider that the person who first classified that could have got it wrong ?

(Who was it anyway who wrote her up as a Black ? The Kormeister, or the breeder ?)

Reliya's additional pic ^ could be the same sort of colour pattern, yes ?

Although there will no doubt be people arguing for Brindle, on that one.

It always makes me smile to think that many of the folk who want darker and darker "Black Sable" coats are the very same people who poo-poo the black and gold colour pattern favoured by the Show line kennels.
What is wrong with a GREY dog ???

Well, I did pull the picture and sharpen it. I would not say that the dog is a sable,it is just that when I look at Ejko's coat it is not that lustrous shiny black that the Czech/Slovak dogs usually have. It is shaded ever so slightly brown over the back hips and a couple of other places.
I realize that her breed survey lists her as solid black, but I wish that I could find another picture of her. This seems to be the only one available.
Of course there is always the explanation, that Jag Kvero is not Calanity's sire. I don't remember ever seeing a sable listed as being from 2 solid black dogs. I usually make note of strange things like that.

Neither the sire nor the dam of Calanity are from 2 solid blacks.

The pup I shared is both brindle and A^w sable. I went searching for odd GSD colors and found a ton of pups that would make you all cringe that they're called GSDs.

Well, I could show you lots more on PDB that would do more than make you cringe. We are seeing all kinds of weird pictures of dogs on PDB. AKC is giving "Conditional registrations" AKC "QD" , and many of the dogs, if I were just looking at their pictures, I would hesitate to even call some of them a Shepherd mix. There is also AKC "UR" registrations which I do not quite understand.

But that probably should be for a different forum, and not this one. Sorry.

Either another dog got to the bitch or one of the two is carrying one dominant black gene and is genetically a sable. There's no way for two recessive blacks to have a sable puppy.

Hundmutter: "Aaykay, ever consider that the person who first classified that could have got it wrong ? (Who was it anyway who wrote her up as a Black ? The Kormeister, or the breeder ?)"

The breeder has nothing to do with a breed-survey.  It is done by the breed-warden, and includes a bunch of things, with the structural part (including the dog's color) being just a small part of the whole rating, with a whole section devoted to the temperament/courage/attack-counter-attack reactions etc.  And you can bet that a breed-warden, during the detailed rating, is not going to miss something as obvious as a solid-black being anything else. 

Here is a fairly good chart for color in GSD's.

http://www.ddr-k9.com/colors.html

Where did the OP get this puppy? Did the OP see the parents? Was the dam really almost 9 yrs old when she was having the litter, and if so, did the OP see her condition?