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Cutaway

by Cutaway on 26 April 2019 - 17:04

@Hundmutter -
I was able to find the FB Posting in which the photograph of the Newspaper and the contents of the article were displayed, but unfortunately I am not able to expand it enough to take screen shots to share here.

 

@Gustav -

Here is a video of one of they Typical K-9's at Desert Dogs. This particular dog washed out of French Ring (never got his FR1) and was sold to the PD. At least in the U.S. it is very typical to see Utility sport dogs ending up in LE. Agian, i totally understand you think i'm full of shyte in my statements, so please fee free to youtube the Desert Dog K-9 Trials...

One of the top dogs from 2017 trial

 



Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 26 April 2019 - 18:04

Cutaway, if you can give the newspaper and date, I'll have a go at tracking it down another way.

by Auslese on 26 April 2019 - 18:04

What does any of this have to do with the new WDA and whether the SV will accept it. How about starting a different thread if you want to talk about LE trials...

by Gustav on 26 April 2019 - 18:04

Cutaway.....I’m not saying you are full of anything or that I don’t believe what you saw. You go to one trial ( LE) a year, I’ve been to hundreds over the years.( local, regionals and nationals since 1975)
So not to derail this thread, I’ll just say we are speaking from far different experiences and exposures.

by Auslese on 26 April 2019 - 20:04

LE LE LE LE LE trials. Why here. Take it somewhere else, start a new thread. Does not pertain to the WDA

This is about the WDA and their sneaky plans to replace the GSDCA with the SV. How does USCA feel about that, my guess is they are not ecstatic..but who knows. Years ago they tried to replace the GSDCA as the official breed club back in the days of Rudenauer. They started their own breed book and required registration...how did that work out for them other than forcing a lot of people to shell out money. They mis calculated. In Germany, breed stud books are held by the national breed club and not the VDH, the equivalent of the AKC in the US.

Messler is not Wolfgang Henke or Clemens Lux. Maybe Yee is hoping to have what happened in Japan happen in the US. What happened in Japan was the exchange of coin of the realm. It seems doubtful they could replace the GSDCA as the official breed club.

But maybe Yee is not trying to replace the GSDCA but only to convince the SV to send judges and allow surveys etc. and given that dog sport is dying world wide and the SV like other clubs like other clubs is losing members, they could use the money that this could provide...


Cutaway

by Cutaway on 26 April 2019 - 21:04

Thank you for the reminder Auslese. Back on topic.

I was able to assertain that GSDWDA is not affliated with GSDCA based on a phone call to one of the GSDCA board members. I still want to reach out to those who are focused on the SV programs in GSDCA to see if they know of anything. I dont like speculating or basing opinions on Rumors. As for UScA, they have the WDC this weekend so i have not contacted any of the National Officers, and i know that none of the Officers in my region are/were aware that the WDA had reformed.

I dont even know if i would care so much except the New is being run by the old who both left UScA cuz they felt they were above all and knew better what was good for the GSD, the direction America should go and how it should be done only to screw it all up in GSDCA-WDA. Athlea then retreated back to UScA but was bummed to find she had no influence at either the Regional or National level, didnt like the rules of UScA IPO/IGP trials nor the rules of the Conformation shows.

 


by Auslese on 26 April 2019 - 23:04

I do not see Alethea as a factor unless she starts buying dogs and throwing money around. John Henkel, on the other hand, if he is still welded to Yee and the so called power behind the throne, has many connections in the SV including with Messler and moreso with Lothar Quoll, who is judging the UScA Sieger Show in North Carolina this October. Unlike Alethea, he did not take his club to the UScA but went to the GSDCA. However, he has had no influence there and could be tempted to try and help Yee with the idea of a return to power...

But I think the SV has a rule that no judges can be released to any organization that is not a member of the WUSV. Still something must be going on, if you read his letter promising SV events, breed surveys and a stamps...unless, as I wrote he is on Hopium. Also, other than wielding power, it is hard to know what is in it for him. Other than a BH, he has never titled dog, though he claims he has and really does not know much about blood lines and the breed. Without Henkel, he is an empty reed...

Rik

by Rik on 27 April 2019 - 22:04

well, to reply to a couple of different posts....... cutaway, I said to see real GSD, people should go to LE trials or competitions and judge for themselves.

I don't trust local trials at all unless I am there, but I have never seen even close to 80% fakers at a trial much less a LE competition. I have seen a few poor examples, but I'm thinking the officers learned pretty quick or gave it up. and isn't that what they are there for?

even at local events. really, unless it was a show club only, I've never seen probably 20% fakers.

maybe I've lived a sheltered life, but I just don't know many people willing to put the time and effort into a fake dog. (I know these people and dogs are out there, I've even bought/showed/lifetimed) so please don't think I'm just keyboarding.

my point is, I don't think you have attended any LE trial and seen 80% failure/fake.

jmo,

Rik


Rik

by Rik on 27 April 2019 - 22:04

sorry for getting off topic. as dead as this board has been I think it can stand it.

so, let's get back to this new subject.

This WDA had the backing of the AKC, GSDCA and the SV. LIterally the largest market for the GSD in the world. they could have taken the GSD to any hights/direction the breed founders intended and the breed derserves.

they could have divided it up into subgroups for any purpose or insisted on full complience with the orginal purpose, a dog for all purposes.

what did they do?

you tell me.

this new "WDA" has no backing in the U.S. or SV. 

so does anyone really believe that this group can duplicate what von S and the original founders did? that is pretty much what they are saying.

this is not going anywhere.

RSV2000 and the other group being promoted by real GSD breeders/trainers (in the USA) is a way better direction.

or just be serious with your dog/yourself in whatever club/organization you train in. USCA or GSDCA/whatever (I don't even care enough to look it up since WDA has been kicked to the curb.)

jmo,

Rik

 


Rik

by Rik on 28 April 2019 - 11:04

it looks like from reading the page that the new club will be an organization within itself, offering it's own services, titles and awards, etc.

that's kind of what RSV2000 did in trying to break away from the SV. not sure how that is working out now.

imo, it will be an uphill battle, but the people making the effort are all experienced and anyone/anything offering an alternative to what the GSDCA has created as a GSD, I hope it succeeds.

it will probably become evident pretty quick the direction they are taking, whether there are any clubs left going with this organization and whether they can organize new clubs.

in the end, clubs are about people and the product they offer and if they can get people and have a good product they can have some success.






 


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