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Jessejones

by Jessejones on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Very cool pics Joanro. What amazing animals you’ve worked with.
Thanks for sharing.

The little problem I see is...how do you even test a dog to see if he doesn't bite a strange very young child that is roughly taking the ball away from him?
I’d be scared s...less to do that.

Even as a puppy, and just playing, those landshark teeth will draw blood on any kid’s hand if scraped and produce hysterical parents. Possible legal trouble.
To socialize, and if a kid asks to pet the dog, I set the scenario and tell them exactly how to do it. And no really small kids are allowed. So my dog doesnt get socialized with kids under 5 unless in the family. My call.

Nope, I keep all strange very little kids away. No petting, no nothing with my dogs. The danger is too great. Accidents happen, teeth can be scraped by accident, kid does’nt know that and starts screaming, parents rush in and all hell breaks loose.
In the WORST case scenario, the police get called and there you go. Dog goes to pound for evaluation or worse, put down.

I would never take that chance even though I’m 99% confident none of my dogs would bite a kid, accidents and tooth scrapes can happen.


by JonRob on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

"I answered your friking question...they don't bite kids! jakwad!"

You still haven't told us what the dog would do if a kid he didn't know yanked a ball out of his mouth--you avoid answering by saying the dogs would never take someone else's ball.

But the answer--whatever it might be--really doesn't matter anymore. I would never send a client to someone who is so utterly incapable of controlling her temper. If anyone asks, I will send them the links to your latest posts--they tell my clients everything they need to know.


by ValK on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

JonRob in real life not all just black and white.
dog's temperament vary no less than in humans. let's say the dog, painted by Sunsilver
could make great family pet but at same time absolutelly worthless in use for other
purposes. good, smart dog have no problems to distinguish who is member of own pack
and obviously will react differently than to stranger. after all even smartest dog still an animal.
if you don't wanna your dog bite child in the street, do the right temperament based
selection upon picking the dog.
i have seen in my life plenty of very good GSDs but none "mister/miss Perfection"

Joan, i agree that many litters could be suspicious but on another hands - in literate breeding
it's a good opportunity to filter out best specimens to improve breeding program. so, if breeder
has options to keep good amount of breeding stock and do breeding not only to gain money but
to produce better dogs - why not?
b.t.w. mentor from my teen years was employed at Austrian farm with kennel, which after anschluss
was contracted by wehrmacht. he told that there was constantly between 100 to 200 dogs at any given
day and dogs was really very good. sadly, bunch of drunk russkie Ivan, after capturing region, did shot
all dogs just for fun.


by Swarnendu on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Jonrob, would you want the breeder of your prospective pup test his/her dogs under various circumstances around toddlers to check whether the dog would bite off the head of the kid?

I think not.

by joanro on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

BTW, jonrob, these two dogs are not for sale. So not t worry about what they'd do. You have to be pretty ignorant to think that any of the dogs I posted pictures of with their kids would bite any body else's kids. That pretty much shows how ignorant you are about dogs. And it also shows what an utterly low opinion you have for the parents of these children, that they would put their children's safety in peril.
Go get the web and look at all the dogs eating their kids because the kids had parents so stupid they should not be allowed to have children, let alone a dog.
These parents are not the ones you must crave to read about, so much so, that you invent fiction about dogs and families that are not within that stupid category.
Now, I appreciate that you think you are doing 'public service' weeding out 'bad breeders', but to me you are over stepping bigly. To me, you are just another activist making up lies about dogs you don't know.....

Western Rider

by Western Rider on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Please if this can't go back to being a useful topic for all and not this back

and forth of two members then I will lock it unitl you can think calmer instead of 


by joanro on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Valk, I'm not talking about just holding back and raising dogs from litters to know what one is producing....I've been doing that for five generations of dogs.
I'm talking about 'breeders' who have as many as five litters at a time all year. Puppy production factories.


Jonrob, like I said, being on you breeder recommendation list is not something anyone with smarts would consider a good thing. You are 'out to get' every one who ever breeds a litter. I've seen you do this for years.
You like to make up lies about peoples dogs, that dogs from me are not safe and must be muzzled. And you expect me to accept your hostility and lies like a weakling ....nope, you insult my dogs I'll get pissed off and fight back. You don't like my temper,,,good, because I don't like you. And I guess I'm supposed to be shamed or embarrassed because you are going to weaponize my posts on pdb and 'show ' them to your clients....
Sorry to disappoint you, but I expect nothing less from you. That's why you come on here, is to get stuff to show and make you look superior to your sycophants.
You act like you never insult, cuss out people....you are a fraud.

Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

My b.s. meter is screaming at the notion that JonRob is asking other breeders this nonsensical question and breeders are saying "Of course he would bite the kid." I'm just not buying it. What a bizarre, out-of-left-field question in the first place. Who lets that happen? Someone in a coma?

Before I am accused of not answering, the answer is there is no way a random kid is getting a ball away from my dogs, anyway, so no chance they'll be bitten, by a dog with a ball in his/her mouth :p Sorry, I just cannot take this seriously. It is nothing but a ruse meant to provoke, as far as I can discern. I don't understand the disdain for people...or dogs.

Jesse, I understand where you're coming from, but consider this- the age you're allowing is far more likely to do something inappropriate than a younger child, and your dog is far more likely to consider an older kid/teen a threat than a toddler (provided they are clear-headed, stable dogs). I have the opposite rule- little kids from infancy on are able and welcome to pet my dogs out and about, but I am reluctant to allow older kids and teens, and I never allow adults. I do this first and foremost so that my dogs learn that I am a competent handler, able to manage interactions safely and that they defer to me for direction because I've proven myself capable and willing to protect them from situations they might feel a need to protect themselves. I do not have and would never breed a dog who couldn't deal with petting by a toddler. Someone does something stupid, "Leave it" works just fine ;) I don't and can't control the universe. I can only control my dog. So, you create a bond with the dog where the dog trusts and defers, and then the situation doesn't matter. Your dog will look to you for direction and you'll have been alert enough to have forewarned the dog and told it what is expected of him/her. This takes a lot of consistency and a level of alertness most people don't have without training, but still...knock on wood, no issues and I take my dogs out all the time.


Jenni78

by Jenni78 on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Sorry, Western Rider. I didn't see your post as I was typing mine.


by joanro on 21 April 2018 - 19:04

Western, I was typing and didn't see your post.
I think I should be allowed to rebut the absolute lies that jonrob posted about dogs he knows absolutely nothing about.
He uses pdb for his ammunition prove his activist ideology.
I would be glad to stop this, I answered him, and he continues to flame.

Please don't lock this thred. I know that even the arguing has value. It shows the readers, if they don't already know, just what people who do their utmost to produce excellent dogs get put through by activist ideologues like jonrob. Sitting passively is not in strong peoples' make up, while they get dragged through the mud....knowing you, yuo would not sit idly and have your dogs and yourself smeared like he does, either.

 

The point I was trying to make, while jonrob was using my answers to besmerch me and my dogs, is that the owners of every dog with their respective families in pictures I posted, are responsible owners and have trained their dogs and have them under control...Dogs cannot be expected to automatically 'know ' how to behave in public or at home with out training....they are not robots, but are thinking, feeling beings. No dog is going to be 'good citizens' if their owners are idiots who don't put boundaries on their dogs and teach the dog how to behave....too many parents don't believe in putting boundaries on their kids either, and so kids do stupid chitt because they have stupid parents so are just following the example of their parents.
 






 


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