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Shawnicus

by Shawnicus on 23 March 2017 - 03:03

In today's ipo ( particularly the states) people want a sport dog who plays a glorious game of tug , with absolutely no realness , or any fortitude , and if a good hard dog slips into ipo they'll crucified it for having bad nerves or too sharp ( I've seen it ) imagine dogs like Gero, blacky , ingo or Carly policia competed in ipo today especially in the states !! Judges would have an conniption... pedigree and genetics is important but in this country we tend to want to pussify the dog since puppyhood , , either u want a working dog or a therapy dog/pet ?? Can't have both ..

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 March 2017 - 03:03

You have no clue what the hell you are talking about, Shawnicus.

Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself.

Shawnicus

by Shawnicus on 23 March 2017 - 03:03

My dogs do my talking bro , put up or shut it

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 23 March 2017 - 03:03


The goal; of KNPV is a police/miltary dog so most of the KNPV dogs go In duty here or worldwide
this means the breeding program is in tune of a police./military dog.

In that way most KNPV dogs will be  sold ,


KNPV is not on that level like IPO as a worldwide sport competition. simple this is not the primairy goal.

Today we see also more and more clubs preparing on real practise exercises and   organize special practise days, .
What i wrote in an other post we also get maybe in future a new certidfcation especial for real practise
examination every time on different locations,unknown exercises out of the today standard program. , all of this is in development.

To eliminate the weaker dogs and create another  stronger  breeder program

 

(Today ofcourse dog and police K9 handler also do a special examination as a team)




 


by vk4gsd on 23 March 2017 - 06:03

Wonder if they will still keep going to IPO studs to start their new program...

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 23 March 2017 - 09:03


Well GSD is only 2 or 3 prercent from all dogs in the KNPV X malinois/Dutch shepherds the other 98
almost don,t have any IPO dogs in their pedigree you will see PH-1 ,I can show you hundreds of dogs

SO I can say the KNPV don,t need IPO , also the dutch police/military don,t need GSD because
most of them are X malinois/dutch shepherds for any reason.....but that is  another discussion i do not go in too much one of them is that most handlers with years of experience some have worked before with other breeds like bouvier,GSD,have make choice to work with

X malinois/dutch shepherds and some hardcore people like Brandvoort,Gardefense,Heukske.Mahlermeister etc stay faitfull to GSD I have a lot of respect for them.

Personal I don,t care if any  dog/breed  is good for the job I will take him

 


by duke1965 on 23 March 2017 - 09:03

the discussion is a bit useless really, as every dog in Germany has to be IPO dog to be able to breed, so IPOdog is all, the good, the bad and the ugly will be classified by some here as IPO dog,
the facts however is that we wont find any dog in KNPV and few or none in LE of many worldwinners in IPO, certain dogs/lines we see a lot, even if not placed on podium once

so in the end it is about the quality of the individual dog and not about if he is IPO dog as they all have to be in order to be able to breed in germany

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 23 March 2017 - 09:03


That is correct what Duke is saying its about the quality from every individual dog and genetics.

by vk4gsd on 23 March 2017 - 10:03

Yes we get it.

Knpv, police, MWD, and dog vendors keep having to go back to IPO once they have got to about the second or third generation of their experiments.

Its all good brahs, without the depth of the IPO program every other program runs shallow.

Funny thing I am not an IPO guy but I know now its meaning to the breed. I think I will go sponsor someone somewhere to title their dog.

Everything outside of IPO is a cottage industry of hanger on's.

by Gustav on 23 March 2017 - 12:03

I'm not an IPO guy, but I have trained and titled IPO dog, have decoyed IPO dogs, have trained with KNPV dogs doing IPO and IPO doing LE work and vice versa....now I'm not suggesting that allows me to see distinctions between the two, but I do think it allows me to speak from a point of reality.
IPO and KNPV have different goals and at successful levels seek different types of dogs these day. There is a very small pool of genetics within the IPO German Shepherds that are used in KNPV.....so if the small pool constitutes identifying KNPV dogs as coming from IPO dogs; though I don't use exceptions to make a case, I can understand some thinking in this fashion. Actually, this type of logic is becoming popular in United States currently?😎





 


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