List GSD practise/training day KNPV 8-4-2017 - Page 8

No one says that there isn't a difference. You can certainly weed out dogs better in KNPV than in IPO. The only point VK and I were making is that the majority, if not all, of dogs in KNPV come out of IPO stock.

 

Well let I say in the earlier days KNPV handlers buy bouviers,GSD,Rottweilers,dobermann from and bred by farmers without knowledge about any pedigree or have a pedigree and certified them, or people get dogs for free  from shelters and titled them without any knowledge about the dog pedigree or bloodlines., so not every pedigree is known or even the dog  have a pedigree.

 

stommels has young '12 pike de lupo nero ph1 bitch also had the ph2 tyson daughter and use drago female;, bergsson had the eros ph2 daughter; tak has '10 cliff ph1 daughter; jerry kline has young '12 pike del lupo de nero daughter with ph1; surer has '14 phalko daughter with ph1. on an on it goes with immediate SV ipo stock not only certifying but also produce the next generation. and since BM already glorify those breeder in posts before we know that what they do is great and so using SV ipo stock must be great. so i guess comeback from BM and Duke is ignore fact and fall back on old story that GSD is no good and no GSD can make good in knpv and street and only mali and x-mali can and all obscure sheriff department make buys of only non-gsd, here watch my sale video, bla, bla, snore, snore and now is back where all threads with duke and BM end. good night.

LOL at fring, lots of stuff in your post isnot in this topic and nowhere do I say no GSD cannot make good in the street and KNPV, so get your facts straight before you blow
I even mention the ones I think are strong producers and prefer GSD over malinois
but whatever makes you happy

Where did I say GSD is not good or can,t make any good street dog ???

Which breeder did  I glorify tell me  ??

jag hoppas du sover gott

Some serious back paddling here.

Did any of you ever think about the differences within the countries?
The Netherlands and their neighbour Belgium do breed Hollandse Herder and Belgian Malinois, whereas Germany breeds the GSD.
There is IPO / SchH in Germany, KNPV / ringsport in the Netherlands / Belgium.
This has nothing to do with quality, but with tradition only.
Everybody who wants to participate internationally in dogsport has to go the IPO Route / either WUSV or FCI - not KNPV... but KNPV in it's origin is made for selling, not for sport, not even directly for breeding selection, although even in KNPV times changed ...

Personally I don't believe there is any difference between the dogs - there are good dogs and there are mediocre dogs - for sure there are not only titled IPO dogs we wonder about, but KNPV titled dogs, too...the main difference: the KNPV dogs do vanish, and outside of Europe almost nobody is able to test them...

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KNPV in it's origin is made for selling"

.makes sense, that's why publicly you only here from high volume knpv dog traders.

If you don't have to live with a dog into its old age you can afford to have disregard for its long term health hence the dog slamming full speed into a stationary decoy and dog jumping off a wall, doesn't prove anything but makes good viewing and is very unhealthy for the dog. Who cares the dog is shipped to another country as quick as the trial is over.

Susie, you hit the nail!