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French Ring Sports And GSD's by vacha1 on 10 June 2012 - 13:34 |
| Hi Everyone, I was at a french Ring Trial Yesterday, and i kept on hearing that german shepherds do not do well in ring? which i thought was crazy!!! what do you all think? does anyone know any gsds titled in ring? This is the sport that i was looking to get into, as malinois are beautiful, they are just not the dog for me. thanks in advance for your opinions! |
vacha1 by mimi on 10 June 2012 - 14:43 |
| I have a Ring 1 GSD that I have titled myself...and for your info, here's a very nice female, Ring 2. Of course GSD can do well in Ring Sports. |
mimi by mimi on 10 June 2012 - 14:51 |
| But just in case, Ring titled GSD can't be shown in Sieger shows in the working class and they can't be breed surveyed in Canada. But that's possible in Europe... |
by SYNNI on 10 June 2012 - 16:28 |
http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=725758 |
by myret on 10 June 2012 - 18:43 |
| most of the good RING gsd are in france I myself drove to France to buy one and they are alot different than most of the schh line gsd even if there is schh lines in the pedigree many of the good RING dogs have RING titled dogs behind them |
myret by vacha1 on 10 June 2012 - 18:45 |
| Myret, What kennel did you buy from, do you have a link? |
by destiny4u on 10 June 2012 - 23:09 |
| can you tell me how their personality is like the ring gsds? compared to shutzund gsds? |
by Dobermannman on 11 June 2012 - 00:48 |
| Do a Google and list search on du val des Hurles vent. kennel. Probably the best for French Ring GSD's There are a couple in Colorado. One just earned his Mondio Ring Brevet last weekend Thomas Barriano Dubheasa Germania (11/05/99-08/11/08) SchH III M R Brevet AKC WD III AWD 1 STP 1 CD WAC TT Ascomannis Jago (06/20/03) SchH III AKC WD III AWD I TT WAC Belatucadrus (08/14/05) DS BH TT MR I Flannchadh von der Bavarianburg (5/21/08) BH STP I |
by myret on 11 June 2012 - 18:47 |
vacha I bought from this kennel http://delacoquellerie.chiens-de-france.com/site_eleveur/index.php?ID_ELEVEUR=12528&ID_SITE=13998 but there are severel good kennels to like someone wrote the Du Val Des Hurles kennel and som others depends on what you want destiny many of the the french dogs or dogs with severel RING titled dogs are very driven and are much more of a biter than most of the only schh titeled dogs they remind you much more like litle malinois pups biting haing on to everything they have naturel drives for bite work and love to use their mouths more than schh dogs , many of them you dont have to teach to bite they love the bite they are very driven by prey |
by myret on 11 June 2012 - 18:51 |
| I was talking to a breeder here he breeds working lines gsd the usual only west german lines he breed to a french dog vasco du val des hurles and this was his first breeding to a dog with severel RING titled dogs behind him , he told me that this litter was very different from all his other litters , biting the hell out everything , you could almost not pet the pups they where biting ,biting biting, hell like a litle mal he was amased by the bite at their love of the bite thats what ring dogs produce more dogs that love to bite naturel drive for the bite |
by Gusmanda on 11 June 2012 - 21:31 |
| so I always thought in order to do breed survey you needed IPO1/SchH1, do some european countries admit FR1 instead? They don't allow it in Mexico. |
Gusmanda by myret on 12 June 2012 - 10:29 |
| gusmanda that it true for Denmark as well you can only breed with dogs that have schh/IPO 1 or PH and same rules as for germany but the dog he breed has that he is schh titled but he is breed from france with alot of french lines he was in Denmark for stud but the stupid danish did not want to bred a french dog that had RING titles so he was sold again they are so stupid the danish http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=494008 |
by judron55 on 12 June 2012 - 11:25 |
myret...I've seen litters of pups acting the way you describe....the sport the dog does has nothing to do with the pups. It's in the genes....:-) |
judron55 by myret on 12 June 2012 - 15:11 |
| judron the sport or should you say the breeding in different sport creates different types of dogs selected for breeding makes different kinds of traits in the breeding I know its nots the sport but sport makes different types of dogs because certain dogs are selected for breeding maybe this guy explains it better than I do http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQEJ_Jl_tws&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mosLTuSlFc&feature=relmfu http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsgZUltKQS8&feature=relmfu |
by myret on 12 June 2012 - 15:13 |
Judron have seen it to in schh bred dogs to but but not so often I think many schh dogs have alot more aggression than RING dogs they are more prey driven  |
by vhleigbiter on 12 June 2012 - 20:35 |
| Another dumb thread on the same ol topic. A GSD can compete in ringsport if that is what you choose to train it to do. Malinois have an edge in the agility side of the sport. GSDs have competed at high levels overseas for many years. To make a blanket statement that schH GSDs have more aggression then prey oriented ring dogs is just not true. Look at Obelix or Jeff Ohelsen's dog Basco and tell me they are prey dogs. It's just a bit harder with fight driven dogs to get the outs and control during a 30 minute level 3 routine. Unless one of you have trained it, you just don't have a clue. |
by Snusjunkie on 12 June 2012 - 21:44 |
| A "Schh" vs "ring" GSD, that is silly, it's not the sport that makes a good dog, it can show better his ablillities but French GSD are not better than the others! ;-) Here's a Schh GSD doing well in Mondio: http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=1346433 |
by myret on 13 June 2012 - 09:05 |
| vhleigbiter I never wrote that all gsd is prey driven I wrote that many of them have alot more prey drive than many schh dogs even spoke to the breeder of du val des hurles vent he has bred dogs for years and he wrote me that the many of the german lines or ordinary wl lines would never do well i RING I could not care less if there are a few wl dogs in RING it is not majority of schh that could do well then you talk to Jeff Oehlsen he will not get a schh dog why do you think he gets his dogs in france if the schh are as good???? this is not a thread about good and bad sport but the schh people get offended when you say french dogs are better at RING sport than most schh dogs and maybe schh dogs are better at schh I quote schh dogs the majority would never do well in RING they just dont have the drive it takes and I dont want to see the few that are during RING it is not the majority of the gsd that can do it same with malinois many of the only schh mals are not not as good and driven as the RING mals they have changed to during the breeding for mals that do well in schh again not all but the majority |
by myret on 13 June 2012 - 09:08 |
| I know of Obelix he was a good dog dog sport drives breeders to produce specific dogs it you believe so or not |
by myret on 13 June 2012 - 09:22 |
| malinois have more than the agility for an edge they have alot more drive witch is important in most sports if you dont believe that sports can create different type of dogs then dont believe it that your opinion like I wrote before I was talking to a breeder that does not much about RING sport but in his litter with a dog with ring titled behind him he saw different traits in the pups than in his other litters and he is not a RING guy but he saw some pups that where alot more driven and biting than his other litters they had to learn to bite so dont beoffended by this |
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