Larus Batu Sieger 2005? - Page 1

Hi folks, Rumours in Germany has it that this year Larus will come back to claim his title once again, I think there is a big possibility of these rumours if Larus to justify his progeny quality rather than quantity as showed last year. I would share the same opinion about Larus being a beautiful male and giving a high appreciation for his breeder-owner and handler as it is not easy to breed and handle a dog like Larus, but suppose if we take a closer look at the rest of the VA or top V behind him, there we can find dogs with excellent progeny (probably even better structured)than Larus i.e. Erasmus Noort-Hill Farbenspiel-Quantum Arminius-Ghandi Arlett-Indo Bildeiche and so on. If the Siegershow is a Zuchtschau then we all agree why Ursus Batu or Yasko Farbenspiel or other great Siegers in the past time being Sieger : because of their positive influence toward the breed which can be seen by their offsprings so far. Perhaps any of you can give more reasons or proof about the positive influence provided by Larus during this past one year after his crowning of Sieger? This year he MUST proof himself worthy of his offspring because only then we can understand why other great dogs were behind him last year.

It is true, although this beautiful male suffered initial criticism on his producing ablity, he has bounced back. Simply showing the depth of his breeding where in he has many great sires, who have become siegers after many years in the VA, proving their worth with progeney to carry the breed forth. He had high expectations even as just a youngster when he made SG1. It might have been a little unfair to expect so much from a youngster, but well maybe not before but atleast after being crowned Sieger he has proved what his breeder had intended by matching this blood to get him. Powerful males with high drives and fluent gaiting is the hallmark in Larus progeney. Hill on the other hand enjoyed alot of praise early in his stud career. But how many top breeders are happy with their litters and how extensively is he being used now? question to be asked to get an answer after deep introspection. Erasmus is again a top male with super anatomie and a family of ultimate Class. Brother Esto looks and produces top as well. His dam and grand-dam are regared highly as top producers. He is one male who finds a lot of intrest among breeders, a worthy heir for the crown. Quantum I have time and again mentioned the influence this male is going to leave behind on the breed. Inclusion in the VA itself was a question, hence somehow never in the bid for title of sieger, although he might have a more lingering impact on the breed with his top sons Zamp and Zasko. Male among males Ghandi an enigma, in or out one never knows. Very good progeney but in a time when the world is crying foul with too much Ursus unlikely sieger. It was with much Surprise I witnessed the once ultimate favouraite for VA, used extensively by most breeders in Germany aquired by Bad-Boll and a dog with good progeney Indo Bildeiche not included in the VA group. Time has passed this male. He was sure in the wrong place at the wrong time, being an Ursus grand son. Messeler would have had a place for him in his VA mixing the lines with care. Orschler did award him his V1. Good male with excellent progeney. Lauser, Yak where are these dogs? not everyone can be Sieger or for that matter VA.

Not going to happen, he shouldn¿t have won last year. Maby a nice goodbye to and old judge ????. Best dog this year will proberly be a Karat dog. However not german breed. So anybody guess. Erasmus only VA 2 In a lesser danish show. So if he wins hope to see you here in our country for good blood. (Smile) Politics is a factor do not forget this.

Yak will come again this Year Seigershow...

By saying its true I meant, its true he was critised. I did NOT mean he was coming in to claim Sieger again. Yak should deservingly be in the VA group this year. Karat dog, well My favouraite is Yoker. Ursus again? lets see. Erasmus Sieger Definately, if not it better be Quantum, surely there is no other dog producing better than these two.

This is so interesting! Erasmus is defintely my favourite in the VA group and so is Karats Ulk, But does his Daish origin be an obstacle for him to be a VA or for that matter even Yoker. How about Pakros, Chuck & Indo? How are the progeby of these 3 dogs ? whats up With ZAMP?

Indo is in the US now as many may know. We are fortunate to have a dog of his quality on this side of the ocean.

Kim Edberg.... Politics is a factor do not forget this. You speak the truth Kim!!

Hi all, I guess I am not alone questioning about Larus being crowned as Sieger. Last year I thought that since Erich Orschler himself judged Working Class Male, he would take a diplomatic decision by making Larus only VA-2 (as he is the breeder, it would be too obvious to see the "connection") and leave the crowning of Larus as Sieger in the following year (this year) by other judge. Just like Hermann Martinn did with Visum Arminius back in the year 1995 then left the crowning to Peter Messler in 1996. But we all know what Erich did. So, Kim you are right.. politic is a factor one should never take lightly even it is hard to prove. I had seen Yak in Hermann's barn back in year 2003, seemed to me that this consistent breeder of Holtkampersee would not take Yak to Siegershow if Erich still held responsible for the judging for some reasons only he knew, so I agree with Teutopass that probably Yak will come back this year (perhaps under Teutopass management??). The inclusion of Yak in the VA remains to be seen but if V-1 I think should not be a problem. Pakros definitely will claim again his line in VA as well as Quirin Hochmoor for his last performance (I spoke to his breeder and he promised that Quirin will come this year with progeny group once and for all). Rumour has it again that if Zamp Thermodos can overcome his biting problem, his place in VA will be guaranteed not to mention some say he will bring many promising youngsters in his first progeny group appearance. Flow.., in your first post you doubted about inclusion of Quantum in VA but then you said that the candidates only Erasmus or Quantum as there are no better producer than these two?? There are many other great dogs now : Karat's Ulk+Yoker, Chuck, Lauser, Ex Arline, Nicos Leithawald, Ken Elzmundungsraum, Mark Schwalmbergtal, Queen Loher Weg, Bravos Steffen Haus etc who probably suitable for VA line up but there must be order in the favour of judge Scheerer, so the prediction is not easy but one thing for sure if Larus enters.. it is 100% guarantee that no other dogs no matter have impressive progeny or better anatomy can claim his title. Agree everyone??

I bet Politics wouldnt be a key facture if they made it a new law where SV breeders of showlines who breeds cannot be conformation judges. I feel that it will be only fair for the other competitors. Im surprise that nobody hasn't taken this to the next step and try to make it illegal. I bet if this was a new law that people are more willing to spend a lot of money to go to germany to be judged, Fairly by a conformation judges.