High drive west german show lines - Page 1

Does anybody here know any kennels who happens to breed show lines who produces some nice quality show lines who can work like working lines and have very nice high drives? Which lines are known to produce high drives in show lines? Can somebody help? The reason why I'm asking this because I'm having a difficult time into choosing lines. I'm not very interested in conformation work, although I do like show lines. My main goal is to do schutzhund but I do not want an UGLY dog... It's hard choosing :( Which lines do I need to stay away from? and lines that i should be looking after?

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Hi Brittany, Just remember even though it comes from show lines there is no guarantee it will not turn out ugly. I have seen many ugly dogs, uglier than working lines coming out of top VA to VA breedings! There are also many working dogs that have V gradings and are very good looking dogs. But this is my opinion. You also get good and bad dogs from all lines, working and show! So it just really depends on how lucky you are! On the lines, if I wanted a show dog to work I would go for Ulk von Arlett, Ghandi, Cim Ecknachtal, Uri Umulree. Lasso Neuenburg is ok, but it can also be dicy. I am not a big fan of Kimon van Dan Alhedy's Hoeve and other Ursus von Batu other than Ghandi as they general end up too big and clumsy. I would absolutely avoid Baru vom haus Yu.

Hi Brittany, I'll just add my two cents here for what it's worth. I agree with Lestat wholeheartedly for the most part. Just be sure to remember that this is just personal opinion and as such ,should be veiwed in the proper perspective. I like most of the lines mentioned by Lestat with respect to working,except I would PERSONALLY avoid Lasso.On the other hand I love Baru and most of what he produces (personally own a Baru daughter). As far as the Ursus line goes,I have seen many good dogs come from him in terms of work and conformation...take a look at VA Jaguar great bitework! In the end , what matters are your own goals.Find the type that you like with the qualities that are important to you and seek out dogs that meet those criteria...and are known to produce them! Good luck!

Folks, just my two cents, although I prefer the show line, I have never seen an "ugly" German Shepherd(working or show) in my lifetime. I have seen varying degrees of beauty in the breed, but NEVER laid my eyes on an ugly German Shepherd.

I have seen high-drive show line dogs that can work (Haus Juris does a good job at breeding this kind of dog) but no they don't work like a good working line. Never seen one with the strength of character, nerves and athletic ability of a working-line. But, I've also never seen a working-line that can show like the show-lines can! They are bred for different things, hard to compare them. Molly

I have both working and show lines. I think that both are very good looking but I do have nice V rated looking working lines. The biggest thing that I think you are going to have to look for is a good helper that can bring out the best in your show line pick. I dont' think that you will ever get a show line that works like a working line. I have a young working line male right now that will V rate (if he isn't to big) and has very high drives...I have to be very careful who works him because he could become overturned and be a very aggressive dog...we have worked very hard with keeping him civil...I also have a young show line female that has great natural drives (looks like she will do very good with Herding, and that is where we are starting) but if worked to soon in schutzhund I think we would cause alot of conflict. I personaly think that there would be alot better work out of showline dogs if we didn't work them so young. Once they mature they can handle the conflict without shuting down. So I always pick the pup that got the highest scores on the temperment test (whatever the lines) and then make sure that I bring out the best in that dog. They all mature at different stages, so I work with that. The working lines can deffinatly be worked at a young age. Matter of fact I think that they have to be worked at a young age. So I guess this would make a big difference too...are you ready and very dedicated to a high drive dog. They are alot of work and if you don't think you will spend the time and money into the training then they will not be the perfect pet..they do need something to do. So you have to look into yourself and answer that question and be honest with yourself. Heather

I agree with all the above statements that a show line does not compare with a working line dog. In my opinion I would never buy a show line dog for schutzhund. But, Brittany asked if she wanted a showline dog to work what lines are the highest in drive. Do any of you have any other suggestions on specific show lines work ability. How about Esko? How well in general do they work and What about Cary Fiemereck...? Any opinions?????

http://www.whirlingthunder.com/dogattack160.mov Triumph's Gucci is a 5x VA scoring a 288 in one of his schutzhund 3's. I own a daughter off of him that has high drive- great temperment and very good looking.

Brittany...I think you have to first look around and spend the time to visit a number of conformation shows to see showline GSD's and then spend some time at Schutzhund clubs and get their point of view of the working line GSD's...if you don't do your homework and put in the time you will never really ever know what you're looking for in the first place...there are some beautiful showline GSD's that can work, but to what degree?...There are also some very nice looking working line GSD's...one line of which is the Nick vom Heiligenbosch...but what you must do is talk to a variety of different people with different views onto the GSD and why they say what they say...then make up your own mind...