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Gigante

by Gigante on 24 May 2016 - 13:05

VK

Thanks for sharing, I'll ponder on that.

by joanro on 24 May 2016 - 14:05

Vk has lots of opinions and advice yet he neither trains for title nor breeds.

Gigante, rotfl @ 'try and type slower'....that's was much needed comic relief on this gangster thred, with all its drive byes.

Gigante

by Gigante on 24 May 2016 - 14:05

Vk is a guy? No way.. Which bathroom does he use? lol. I just assumed, incorrectly I see.

We have to laugh at ourselves a little bit it brings us closer. Indeed alot of drive "bytes" in this thread ;)


by joanro on 24 May 2016 - 15:05

Either or both,  gender-fluid is the new PC. 


susie

by susie on 24 May 2016 - 18:05

Duke: "@ susie, dogs surviving training and trailing maybe was so about ten years and more back, but with todays training methods that doesnot applie anymore"

I didn´t talk about "trialing" in this context - I simply talked about "training":

That´s what I said:

"For me it´s about temperament and character; and during training ( even on club level ) I am able to see the "real" temperament/character of a dog. That´s our advantage - we don´t need to believe in titles and points "only"."

A trial is the end result of any training, at that day ( in case no "shit" happens ) you will see a learned and trained "performance", but you are not able to see what happened on the way to get this title.

How much pressure was used on the dog? How did it learn to "out", to "retrieve" ?
Did the dog show insecurity during training, and did the handler have to work against it, get it "used to" things? Was the dog "pampered" all the time out of any reason? Did the dog show prey "only", or did it show defense, aggression, too? Did the dog in question learn fast, is it stubborn, is it even dumb? Did the handler teach the IPO routine only, or did he and his dog train unorthodox, out of the box, just because it´s fun, and the dog is able to do so? Was the handler afraid to use different helpers? Did he train at different locations? How does the dog deal with strangers, other dogs? Is the handler too hard, too soft, maybe a fool, not able to understand his own dog?

I could go on and on... temperament, character, health, agility, drives ...

There are thousands of ways to train a dog for a trial, and in case you are able to see a dog from puppy to titled adult, you are able to know a lot about the dog in question ( and about the handler ) - things you will never know in case you only are able to look at the "points", or at the video of the trial.

To sum it up: There are different dogs, there are different training methods, the "better" the methods the easier the dog will "pass" - and in that case it´s more than interesting to know about the way, not only about the result.

A lot of dogs look good as long as there is no pressure (a firmly teached "out", a helper running into the dog, not away from the dog, a stable retrieve, although the dog doesn´t want to, the willingness to perform, although there is no ball, a "real" stick hit, and so on ).

A lot of people tend to belittle "sport", but during the same time they either don´t do anything at all with their dogs, or they just strengthen given traits, but forget (?) about any pressure. A lot of dogs are able to bite into a sleeve ( and I don´t care if it´s a IPO sleeve or a hidden sleeve ), but not all dogs are able to deal with pressure.



Prager

by Prager on 26 May 2016 - 05:05

Duke:"prager, learn to read, im writing that doing something DOES NOT give you any guarantees

also im not talking random dogs, im talking about really good dogs that are not famous for whatever reason"

Duke you see, if you would not attack my reading skills I would let it go. But now I just can not shut up. I know that is what You said. And I ask is that a big revelation to you that when you breed there are no guarantees even with excellent dogs? ?

by vk4gsd on 26 May 2016 - 07:05

Soft men like hard dogs.





 


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