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by GSDFanboy on 09 July 2020 - 16:07

I just read this and i'm late to the party. I second and third what others have said. If any trainer ever were to strike my dog, I would grab my dog and leave. I would then proceed to demand a full refund and never return. Not only could his striking impose psychological damage to your dog, but it could also create fear agression. You don't want this.

by GSCat on 11 July 2020 - 04:07

Hundmutter--

Yes


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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 11 July 2020 - 11:07

Just wanted to chime in: we didn't see what happened - I once had a dog come in for boarding that jumped all over me, and scratched my arm, drawing blood. The owner made no effort to control it. I pushed the dog away from me, and yelled 'down' at it.

The owner was a friend of a friend. I later found out she was upset by how rough I was with her dog! [rolls eyes]

(I assume the OP's dog was better mannered than this!)

But hitting a dog...no, nope, no way.

by GSCat on 11 July 2020 - 18:07

I really wish that more places that sell and adopt out dogs would provide a pamphlet or something that explains the importance of dog obedience/manners and the pros and cons of different types of training, control, correction, reward, etc. And maybe a coupon or huge discount for basic lessons someplace the seller is at least comfortable with, even if it's at one of the chains or a BYT (back yard trainer). Interestingly, some BYT are far better (and much less expensive) than highly reputed training facilities, especially for basic obedience/manners.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 12 July 2020 - 02:07

So many problems could be avoided if people would only PREPARE before they get a new puppy :
select a training class, (or ask to sit in on a 1-2-1 session), VISIT it (minus dog) and WATCH what goes on. If you see a style of training or discipline in use for others that you find abusive or counter-productive, find a different Trainer.

Vouchers could be a good idea GSCat, but I've found down the years that even when paying good money for well-bred puppies and told in no uncertain terms when purchasing that a training class must be joined, some buyers just will not bother. They are the ones who come back into contact with the breeder after 6 months crying that they cannot control their Shepherd ...

[These remarks not aimed at you, OP !]

Sunsilver, yes; goes to what I was saying to ValK about perceptions varying, both ways.

by ValK on 12 July 2020 - 12:07

hired dog
5 of total 6 my personal dogs did come from truly working (not in a conception of widely spread today perception of working dogs) specialized breeding, have been fully trained through the program of practical utilization of patrol service dog but never have been used for such purpose. they were just my companion dogs and their temperament, attitude, behavior never bothered or did posed issues/troubles for me either in homestead, in public or in wilderness.
why today such type of dogs would be a problem to be a family dog but hyper active and brainless "eternal puppy" moron is considered to be perfect candidate to be a family dog?

hundmutter
nothing wrong about dog's interest to surroundings. question is - how that surrounding affect the dog's reaction and which action trig up in return?
most desirable for breeds of service dogs, in given by OP situation, would be calm indifference to neutral unfamiliar person.


by Hired Dog on 12 July 2020 - 12:07

Valk, I going to guess because at the time you did not live in Canada. There is a huge difference between what is considered acceptable in the US/Canada and what is considered acceptable in other countries, especially communist ones. Tell me Valk, what would happen to you or that dog had it bitten a person for real back home?
The "other" dogs you mentioned are more accepted because, again, people do not have a need nor want for a real dog. I was talking to someone the other day who is breeding that type of real dog, they have a very hard time finding proper homes to place these dog, so, they had to stop breeding that type of forward aggression and civility.
I dont even know why I am explaining this, but, Valk, how many people do you know that have the heart or experience to own and handle those dogs?

by GSCat on 13 July 2020 - 03:07

Hundmutter-- thanks for reminding me to clarify ๐Ÿ˜

OP-- my last post wasn't directed at you. It was at the person who brought his/her dog in for boarding that scratched Sunsilver.  Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.
 


by GSCat on 13 July 2020 - 04:07

Hundmutter--

Amen on preparing ๐Ÿ˜Š

Can a training class requirement or earning CGC/similar be put in a purchase contract, just like titling or spay/neuter? Not that I'm generally in favor of the latter, but I know some breeders have that/those clause(s)/requirement(s).

In case a novice is reading this, preparation also means having the initial vet visit scheduled in advance so the puppy visits the vet before getting home, so the least amount of attachment occurs in case there's a major problem with the puppy that necessitates return, and so if there's a minor issue, anything special that needs to be done with the house/other animals is known before the puppy gets there and minor problem could become major.

And having all the necessary "stuff" on-hand so the partially vaccinated puppy doesn't go into a pet supply store where there are other dogs and maybe end up sick (or worse). On-hand also means having everything that will/could be needed between the breeder and vet, and then home along when picking up the puppy.

by GSCat on 13 July 2020 - 05:07

Hundmutter--

It is not on any par with some lapdog jumping up at me and hopping about on its back legs until I pay attention to it. I wish now I had not included that point in the same post, maybe I've muddied the waters !


I agree the amount of damage likely to be done by a little yap-yap dog is significantly less than the amount of damage that could be done by a large dog. However, in my experience, the little yap-yap dogs are a much bigger problem because people don't take them seriously, as they think all the misbehavior is "cute," "they won't bite," or "wouldn't hurt anyone." So, training is neglected/completely ignored and the little yap-yap dogs are more likely to be out of control and more likely to bite/snap.

I know I've posted this incident before, but it illustrates a couple of points so well that someone may benefit.  While out for a walk with my GSD, who was still learning many things, someone's little yap-yap that wasn't on a leash ran out of his/her yard at us snapping and barking and I ended up picking my dog up and walking away to avoid having her hurt or her hurting the little yap yap. I didn't want to get bitten, either. The owner was neither nice, apologetic, concerned, nor in any great hurry to correct the situation, and was actually unpleasant to me when I asked her to control her dog/get him/her back in her yard. I'm thankful we had trained on "carry" before the incident ๐Ÿ˜Š
 






 


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