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susie

by susie on 24 October 2016 - 18:10

Pedigree / parents ? Wink Smile Still waiting...


susie

by susie on 24 October 2016 - 18:10

Black, as soon as you become involved in training for titles ( real structures you and your dog have to follow ), you will care - as long as you "only" have fun with your dog you don´t need to care. It´s no big deal to teach a dog to bite, but it´s a big deal to train a dog to cap it´s drives to the point of structured obedience.

by Bavarian Wagon on 24 October 2016 - 18:10

Why would some people never see the quality? There’s video. Two long bites with very little control and lack of clarity as the dog won’t out time and time again. Don’t really want to speak much about the dog I see in the video as it’s not my dog, or your dog, so I don’t want to say negative things, but this is an above-average long bite, not the fastest, not the slowest, in my opinion and due to the dog’s commitment I’ll say the dog will bite for real. But that’s not a rare thing…IMO that’s mostly training, either on purpose or by accident. Thanks for the videos and commentary though, always gives insight into what people consider great/high drive/civil/ect.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 24 October 2016 - 18:10

 


a good dog will make it in every dicipline in sport or on the streets with real pressure and pain scenarios  but a lot dogs will never make
it..... genetics you can,t train.

 

That dog comes out of  Blitse Dune, van ,t Heukse,   lines if I,m right can,t find him on bloedlijnen or workingdogs

 

 

 


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 24 October 2016 - 19:10

What I see is an untrained dog with a lot of conflict and lack of clarity.

susie

by susie on 24 October 2016 - 19:10

Interesting, how different all of us see one dog ( 2 videos, just a few seconds ).

I really like him, this dog doesn´t slow down, he shows a lot of fight, he barks and holds very good, seems to be pretty young ( just a guess ) - and the handler stepped on his toes by purpose 2 times right before the heeling - that´s nothing a handler will do with a weak dog but with a strong dog, trying to get it back in line. Guess, the handler was pretty pissed off...
Not untrained, no lack of clarity, just having fun, knowing he is the stronger part at that day.

We will never know...

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 24 October 2016 - 19:10

The handler has little control over the dog. Listen to the dog. There is some major conflict and lack of clarity.

Little Control - lack of training.
No impulse control whatsoever - lack of training


susie

by susie on 24 October 2016 - 20:10

Sure there is lack of training, otherwise the dog would out - but is it because of the dog´s strength or simply because of lack of "regular" training?

by Bavarian Wagon on 24 October 2016 - 20:10

I think it’s hard to make that distinction because the dog doesn’t have any training. Who knows if the dog would still do all of that and go as fast and hard if there was enough control and pressure put on him to listen and follow commands properly. Until a dog is taken to that place, you won’t see the dog’s ability to stay in drive while still being under control and listening to the handler. A lot of dogs are quite capable of strength and power without control, it’s the conflict that comes from control that truly shows the type of power a dog has to me. A dog that can control itself, or in a training situation be put under tremendous stress and pressure from the handler in order to listen but still explode out and do it’s job when released. I do think the dog is a good dog, special? Don’t know for sure. Judging from the videos it’s a nice/solid dog.

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 25 October 2016 - 01:10

The nice thing is that in this time and age you can put a lot of impulse control onto a dog without using aversion. Or you use a very low level of stimulation in combination with impulse control games that won't shut down a dogs power and builts even more motivation.

So in this time and age there is almost no excuse not having control over a dog, not with what is known today.

But than you've got those that call it "Fancy IPO dogs".





 


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