Can Someone Please Tell Me is this a Sable or a Saddleback?? - Page 2

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by hexe on 29 March 2017 - 21:03

It's not a case of 'is this a sable or a saddleback'--the question is whether this is a sable or a blk & tan. The dog definitely has an extended saddle, but that's a marking, not a color. To my eye, she's a sable, based on the color of the hair on the area of the thorax just below the edge of the saddle.

She's a patterned sable. And a pretty one, I might add. Beautiful face.

by KaydiasMom on 29 March 2017 - 21:03

That's the only pic I have..Thanks

by Swarnendu on 29 March 2017 - 22:03

Hexe, both Sable & Tan Points are patterns.

That's why the term "Pattern Sable" sounds funny to me.

GSDGenetics

by GSDGenetics on 29 March 2017 - 22:03

I changed my post because I had posted before reading this: "Dam is a black and red saddleback,Sire is a Black ." A black and red to a black could not produce a sable, as sable is dominant. With dogs who are very difficult to tell whether they are black and tan patterned or sable, I recommend the person try to get a puppy picture of the dog. As puppies, sables are very obviously different from black and tan patterned puppies but as adults saddle patterned dogs in particular, can be difficult to tell which is which.

Dawulf

by Dawulf on 29 March 2017 - 22:03

Did you have her as a puppy, or do you have puppy pics? Pretty easy to tell, then.

GSDGenetics, OP said black sable, not black.


by beetree on 29 March 2017 - 23:03

Sable is a pattern of the hair shaft, as in banded vs a solid pattern hair shaft. Black and Tan is a whole coat pattern as is brindle, or a solid only one color. Do not be confused that a solid color is then an all over pattern showing in a single color.

Hexe has it correct.


by Swarnendu on 30 March 2017 - 09:03

This one is a Sable pattern dog with bi-color marking. 

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This one is a Sable pattern dog with Blanket back marking.

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Now, show me a Sable pattern ADULT dog who doesn't have either a Bi-color, Blanket back or Saddle back marking.

All dogs who are born Sable pattern are just that, "Sable pattern", nothing else. If we don't need to add a prefix to describe a Bi-color Sable pattern or a Blanket back Sable pattern, and can call them just "Sable", we also don't need a prefix for Saddle back Sable pattern, at least not that ridiculous sounding "Pattern Sable Pattern".


by beetree on 30 March 2017 - 10:03

The hair splitting difference becomes necessary when you equate the bicolor and saddles as the same, visually. Which they are not.
 


by Swarnendu on 30 March 2017 - 11:03

Ok beetree, I got your point.

 

A Saddle back Sable is a "Pattern Sable Pattern" and a Saddle back Tan-point is a "Pattern Tan-point Pattern".

And the word "Pattern", when used as a prefix, actually means "Saddle back".

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by joanro on 30 March 2017 - 14:03

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Patterned sable is agouti guard hairs on otherwise solid body color..Tan point pattern includes chest bar, tan eye brows, tan muzzle, tan legs without tarheel or pencil toe marks, body is blanket saddle as in this dog pictured






 


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