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by kmaot on 25 September 2016 - 23:09
See above. Male had Pano quite severely around 8 months of age seen on xrays. Fever and xray. Very lean and active however.
He is 13 months and went lethargic again....decided to have hips and elbows done. Hips and one elbow clean. One elbow showing quite the UAP (elbow dysplasia) and we are seeing a surgeon for consult tomorrow.
He has had Pano from perhaps 7 or 8 months onward and even these xrays re elbows show the remodeling isn't complete. I do not know if there are arthritic changes or anything yet and really other than a time or 2 I have seen no lameness but if i have it was consistent with Pano and lack of energy and lack of appetite. So I do not know if the UAP is causing an issue or not.
A surgeon will of course recommend to operate (perhaps). This is a young male that was to be a running companion for my son....or that I wanted to jump in and out of a truck. I am nothing short of devastated and yes....parents were clear on xrays.
I know I will receive a recommendation tomorrow but I am asking the GSD community for their input on what may be appropriate for a 13 month old just Dx that has drive and loves to run . I know the surgical options through research and are looking for opinions and experiences.
Thanks very much.
by bubbabooboo on 25 September 2016 - 23:09
If you give a veterinarian 100 x rays and have them pick out the dogs with pano based on just the x rays they will fail unless you tell them which dogs have pano before they look at the x rays. Pano does not normally affect joints ... generally long bones. It is difficult to isolate the pain in pano to one joint or leg. I have had dogs with pano that had perfect hips and legs at 2 years. What you described would also be consistent with an injury caused by a jump down or fall from heights, weight bearing or crushing type accident, or an injury involving a larger animal putting weight on the young dog sufficient to damage the leg at 4 months forward. In injury cases the dog may have torn muscles and scar tissue that inhibits natural movement and gait.
by Hundmutter on 26 September 2016 - 06:09
There is a disconnect here anyway, Pano is unrelated to any of the elbow displasia conditions and a dog with both is just bloody unlucky. He will eventually grow out of his Pano symptoms; (if indeed he really has Pano and not just soft tissue injury) but UAP IS likely to be problematic and, as Bubba says, is a joint fault.
As I understand it, he will almost certainly need surgery. I have escaped having to live with and treat any of mine with UAP, but I am sure there are others on here who can give you the benefit of their experience.
Wishing you and your dog all the best.
by Jenni78 on 26 September 2016 - 13:09
Can you post the xray? Believe it or not, I have actually had a dog misdiagnosed with UAP! And a puppy buyer had another dog diagnosed and operated on the same day when he went in for OFA xrays and the same vet told him the female from me had mildly dysplastic elbows and bad hips. They looked perfect on Xray. I told him to send to OFA to prove I was correct and vet was full of it, and she was graded OFA excellent and normal elbows. So...post the xrays if you have them. That will help answer whether he needs surgery or not. If it is an obvious fragment, I would have it arthroscopically removed so it doesn't cause further damage to the cartilage in the joint.
Damage to the distal ulnar physis can cause UAP, as well...so just having clear parents isn't enough. You must control environmental causes and dietary as well. Nothing is ever easy!
by kmaot on 26 September 2016 - 14:09
He was fed Nutro Large breed Adult food and yes he has jumped in and out of trucks. Only one elbow shows UAP. Looks to my layperson eyes the Pano is still causing him issues.
by Prager on 27 September 2016 - 16:09
It is "funny" that if it is just one leg on a dog then it is usually the left elbow. You need to get the piece of the bone removed or screwed in if possible. IMO if you want the best for your dog you can not avoid remove of the "broken off piece" . If you do not remove it it will cause arthritic problems. Sooner the better. This will not get better on it's own. This may be done with arthroscopic surgery . That is the way I would go.
by bubbabooboo on 28 September 2016 - 17:09
by Swarnendu on 28 September 2016 - 18:09
Thank you.
by bubbabooboo on 28 September 2016 - 23:09
by Jenni78 on 29 September 2016 - 00:09
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