Bitework Question: How should trainer progress. - Page 22

You are most welcome.

I think someone is not being honest here after digging through the site history, shame on you.

LMAO!

"Hans @ GSD fan and othjer conspiracy theorists. :

It does not matter if I would know the pedigree or not. WHICH I HAVE NOT!"

Admin, if there is an activity log recording mechanism in this site, I'm sure Prager wouldn't mind if that data is made public ?

Someone mentioned the Hobo dogs, from the Littlest Hobo TV series. They all had the reverse mask. I have the owner's book that he wrote about his first dog, London (London: The Dog Who Made the Team).

Chuck was a semi-pro ball player, and London accompanied him everywhere.

One day, Chuck got into a very nasty disagreement with an umpire. The ump was waving his fist in Chuck's face and shouting. London jumped out of the stands, ran to the umpire, put his paws on the ump's shoulders, and growled in his face. He then backed the man right into the dugout. A photographer from Life Magazine was present, and recorded the whole incident in pictures.

There was also another incident where the Hobo dogs were sitting in Chuck's open convertible, and a kid on a bike started to tease them. They put up with it for awhile, then jumped out of the car, and sent the kid packing. Chuck saw it happen through the office window, but the by the time he returned to the car, they were all back inside, pretending they hadn't broken training by leaving it...

Chuck refused to reveal anything about the ancestry of his dogs, because he knew what would happen if unscrupulous breeders found out. I do know that at least 3 kennels contributed dogs: one in California, which he mentions in his book (though not the kennel name) another in Ontario, where a lot of the series was flimed (a poster on this board was aware of this one) and the kennel London came from, which was in British Columbia. I know the name of that kennel, but it has been gone for so long, none of its dogs are even in the database.

And yes, I have a soft spot for reverse mask dogs, but I'm not going to get drawn into  a discussion about the genetics. However, when researching a pedigree, I do like to go back a lot further than 3 or 4 generations.

That didn't sound "Bad ass" in my ears!

I rather heard "Super intelligent" & "Even natured".

What about the dog in your avatar?

Swarmendu, she's described in Bee's post. Go back and have a look at that.

Just to provide a time frame on the Hobo dogs: London was a puppy when Chuck went overseas to fight in WWII. That means he was long gone by the time the TV show hit the airwaves, but Chuck was seriously into training long before that happened.

Oh, and here's a very interesting photo someone who's seriously into GSD history posted on the database a long time ago:

You'd swear that was one of the Hobo dogs, wouldn't you?

I've gotten into arguments with people who say the Hobo dogs aren't pure GSDs. They usually shut up when I show them that photo... :D

Yes, The Hobo dogs were very intelligent, but they were also EXTREMELY well trained. Chuck never married, and if you've read about his unique training method, he was constantly working with the dogs and talking to them. 

And when we discovered my avatar dog's (Tasha's) temperament, we made every effort to train her as well as we could to prevent any accidents. That's my main concern about Mith's dog - he says he's deliberately held back on obedience training, for fear it would damage her ability to do bitework.

That's the main concern of many of the people posting in this thread. You have a dog with natural aggression, you NEED to put some serious time into training obedience to make sure it's under control.

 

http://www.pioneergermanshepherds.com/masklessgermanshepherds_reversemaskedgermanshepherds.html

 

Unfortunately Prager doesn't get a choice in the matter. Those logs are not for public consumption whether Hans minds or not. Bla Bla can make those public on his site if he likes and compromise his members personal info but here we do not release that info, pretty sure there are laws about privacy which I am sure Hans, Prager, Bla Bla has no problem breaking. Our members privacy is what is important.

I have a bitch with a reverse mask. Her dam has a reverse mask. Her sire doesn’t. I work 4 dogs out of that litter. I know the sire of the litter. The sire has a TON of natural aggression. The dam has aggression but is extremely clear and very balanced. My bitch and her littermates also have a lot of natural aggression. According to this conversation…it MUST come from some dog 11 generations back on the dam’s side as that’s where the reverse mask comes from. Can’t possibly come from the sire of the litter who has the natural aggression and yet is one of the darkest bi-color dogs I’ve ever seen.

I’ll look for my next dog based on the parents and grandparents, the rest of you enjoy searching for them in books from the 1940s. Can’t wait to see you guys on the field at a large competition.