Would you breed a blue mal? - Page 4

Hired : To have a dog to look after the safety of your childrenmost certainly fulfills a deeply psychological need by a mother or a father !! Peace of mind thatn their children are being overseen , does it not ? Is that child's life any more or less important than an officer's life . Does not that dog have a job to do , instictive or not ?

BTW the dog that burped on the couch in my house ... would take you out in a heart beat if you entered .. just saying .. And , when a dog is with a child , is that child as important as a police officer and who may very well at times be at risk to in today's society ?

To add , when I had taught classes on of the first aspects I taught was [ with certain breeds ] is to teach that dog to find a family member. I did notnhave calsees that just taught sit , down etc, . The fact of the matter is that almost any family dog can find it's family member. This does not require specialized , training ! There are many very imprtant functions in our lives , everybody's life for thier own dog.

Keep it simple , yes I agree with you on that note , but the fact in life is that : not everything is always simple...

My aim is to not debate you . I know that talking to some people is like spitting into the wind..My purpose writing is to spur people on , if they believe what I write , to further deepen their understanding of the canine if they choose. I spent a liftetime , a lifetime , with dogs and I am still learning every day ... I am not God's gift to dogs , dogs are God's gift to us .. We all stand before God in the same light , so does each and every dog They hold the same value , no matter what we do or the dogs do - all people and all dogs are equally as important and I end on that.

It would be interesting to see a genetic test done for that blue Mal - one that tests for many diseases and faults. I am curious to know if the blue dilute is poly-genetic with an undesirable trait. But, until more is known, then we can neither confirm nor rule out a negative genetic association with the blue colour.

Why was the blue colour listed as a disqualifying fault in the breed standard? Perhaps the breed founders noticed that some blue dogs had some traits that they did not want passed on. Whether all blue dogs did, or will, have that negative trait is unknown at this point. But, IMO, there is not enough known about the Mal genetics to include a blue dog in a breeding program when there are many good dogs that fall within the standard.

Cent, if I had a dollar for every time I heard that some dog "would take me out", I would be retired.

You are correct, life can be complicated on its own, why complicated it even more?
If your aim was not to debate me sir, you would not be debating me, simple, yes?
I am not the religious type, but, I do believe that dogs were created by humans who needed their services. As far as all dogs and all humans being equally important, on that, I will choose to remain dubious.

I wonder how many people will agree or disagree that this Malinois fits the standard?

 

@ GKI1 KNPV breeders don,t look to any colour what will create better offspring they only interested
in working properties, and the blue malinois or whatever is just a a myth blue colour have not any effect
to create better or worse offspring, same as brindle ,black,yelow .they take what they get. in the bloodlines.

@ Hired Dog that dog is Duco 2 one of the best producers here from a few yeare ago this dog have
nothing to do with FCI standard malinois because it is cross pitbull /malinois with an idea behind .The idea  using cross breeds was they went create the best dogs what is suitable for KNPV and police work as a WORKING DOG . In  the GSD world they look too much  for appearance  and we all know what this has done...and created, because they cut many good GSD  from the past with  white spots or 3cm too big , weak ears  etc, etc. and lose other important properties like charactar hardness, natural protection but we all know this here

 

Duco 2 is a good example of a dog who was produced to meet the needs and demands of the end user.

I wish there were 10 more Duco 2  in Holland today.

I know the dog BM, I posted his picture here for others to see. Certain people are caught up in the "standard" of the breed when there is no standard in those dogs.
I am not sure what the problem is with producing dogs that can work and looks be damned. You are correct sir, many good dogs are eliminated because of certain little imperfections to the detriment of breeds.

Emory...you get it.....

Black Malinois, I suspected as much. It’s well documented the KNPV does not restrict itself to conformation standards, like the American/Canadian KCs etc., but has even opened the gene pool to cross breeding, as evidenced by Duco 2. The KNPV has a different breeding paradigm...voodoo in some circles I suppose.

I didn’t think the occasional blue/grey dogs would would factor negatively in the larger scheme of performance bred dogs, in accordance with the op.