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by Jessejones on 05 January 2019 - 23:01

Joan says:

Wrong....it is not unavoidable...it is all because the UN is flooding Western Civilization with incompatable populations in order to liquidate our strength/ populations all for global control. Get the UN out of the Western countries and stop allowing the distruction of the west! It's a money/ power game, not a numbers game. Dogs in airports are now needed to find those from the incompatable countries who desire to kill us. Before all this crap caused by the UN, dogs in airports were used to find fruits and vegetables being brought in in luggage...to protect our crops from foriegn disease and insects. Now dogs are used to protect our lives.

I am familiar with these trains of thought

After 9/11, and the complete shear unbelievableness of it...the lies....the falsehoods and fairytales created by the government about it....I read about and researched similar ideas for many years. A new world order....a one world government...etc. what ever one wants to call it.

My conclusion in all honesty?

We don‘t know exactly who is pulling the strings anymore. It is not just one group. It is a fight for dominance...and includes the US, China, Russia, Israel and Saudi Arabia, and the EU trying to hang on to itself.

 Unfortunately, in my opinion, we (US) have pulled out of the race by default... (the ‚race‘ for whatever you want it to be...or to call it... global domination, protection of economies, whatever...etc)  .....as there is NO ONE at the helm here in the WH anymore. Many in the US think if they put their head in the sand, close all borders for everyone, all will be ok. But it won‘t.

We have to remain global players or sink into oblivion.... Which brings with it a danger of being even more manipulated by foreign governments than we already are lately. And our gov is being manipulated like laughable puppets by other governments right now. Make no mistake. 

And in Europe, the well over a million refugees, left homeless in Syria and other places in the area.... created by the bigger governments mentioned above and Turkey, trying to manipulate the Middle East to their favor...that are fleeing for their lives and were allowed to enter into a steady and well organized population of only 80 Million Germans. Yes, it all concerns me too.

Lets see what the US pull out of Syria will bring. Will it bring the same trouble as the US pull out and the abandonment of the anti taliban fighters in Afghanistan brought?  Create another rudderless lawless Iraq or Libya? More terrorism in the west? Will the WH cosines with the new Saudi regime create more terrorism or not ? All questions we don‘t know the answer to.

I’m not that smart. I don’t know much...but I think I do know that there are no answers right now. And no one can claim to have them.

And, I don‘t see a rosy near-future.

Not to mention the inner US mass shootings by Americans. We have all but forgotten the Horror of the Las Vegas shooting. Never found out the truth of that one.

Not to mention the school shootings and drive by shootings. Something is wrong in the fabric and social structure of our country...and it has very little  to do with a few people coming across the southern border.

So, the discussion of the ear shape of detection dogs is troubling, and yes, can be laughable, but it is how things change bit by bit...the frog in boiling water phenomenon.

 

by ValK on 05 January 2019 - 23:01

BRADY BEE
Also, it's NOT ok to discriminate against DOGS with pointy ears, but it IS ok to discriminate people from 'incompatible countries ! Jeez the hypocrisy !

if someone moved to host country in search of better life, be it economical benefits, freedoms granted by democratic society, safety, etc. it would be common sense to adapt itself to new environment and enjoy by economical/social advantages, at same time contributing to society, to straighten those advantages even more.
instead more and more of those newcomers, who furiously demanding to make changes, which will fit lifestyle, they used to have in past native country and from which they supposedly run due to oppression.
so please tell us - which side has more hypocrisy?

b.t.w. to clean out possible crap about xenophobia, i'm immigrant myself.

by Rik on 06 January 2019 - 00:01

Valk, a most sensible post.

jmo,
Rik
Western Rider (admin)

by Western Rider on 06 January 2019 - 05:01

And now the end to any of the non dog conversation.

If you wish to discuss it you can move it to Off Topic and if you want we can move the last few pages there too, or we can lock this thread. 


mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 06 January 2019 - 10:01

Western thanks, saved me the bother, thought I had landed in another planet reading the last few pages.Omg Smile

by duke1965 on 06 January 2019 - 12:01

lock her up Wink Smile

by Hired Dog on 06 January 2019 - 12:01

I have followed this thread with great interest because I have worked in this field for a very long time and here are my observations after many years of both training and working dogs.

I have worked Shepherds and some of them were fantastic detection dogs. I had a female who was an absolute demon at explosives detection, one of the best dogs I have ever had the pleasure of working.

I have worked a female lab who was also amazing at explosives detection. I have worked a female Malinois who was THE best detection dog one could ask for. Indeed, the theme here is that females make better detection dogs then males do, however, at the end of the day, what really counts is, "can the dog detect/find the target odor". 

I could not care less if it was a poodle or a mix breed, I worked a few of those and some were really good, but, again, the bottom line is, can you find what we are looking for. Here is another observation I have made through the years...prick eared dogs are more intimidating to the general public then a floppy eared dog. Male handlers want prick eared dogs because of the "macho" image associated with them. Female handlers did not care what was at the end of the leash, as long as it worked.

I have walked into a terminal with 4.000 passengers with both type dogs and the Malinois commanded more respect then the lab or mix breed did. Passengers are not educated on what the dog is looking for and as a result, I have been handed all types of drugs because, "the dog was going to find it anyway"...NO, it would NOT, its not what its trained for, but, they dont know that.

For me, what is most important is that the dog reliably finds the odor/s we are looking for and that it can deal with the environmental issues presented during work. Finally, and I am very surprised that no one mentions this when it comes to dogs, THE most important factor is, "can I live with that dog, 24/7/365"? The dog works 8-10 hours a day, but, lives in my house its entire life, I need to be able to enjoy being with that dog.

These are my two cents, but, I am not a GSD person, I am a WORKING dog person and as long as the dog can work, that is all that matters, as far as work is concerned.

by joanro on 06 January 2019 - 13:01

Hireddog: Finally, and I am very surprised that no one mentions this when it comes to dogs, THE most important factor is, "can I live with that dog, 24/7/365"? The dog works 8-10 hours a day, but, lives in my house its entire life, I need to be able to enjoy being with that dog.

Me: That's probably because living with the dog is not relevant to the topic. Tsa is denying use of prick eared dogs because children might get scared....no matter the quality of work performance. So it's drop ears from now on so the kids may not get scared.

Seems that THE most important factor would be; does the dog perform as needed to keep the country safe.
Living with dogs whose work is superior seems would just be a matter of being a good dog person, no matter what the temperament.
I had a horse that was superior in performing the job trained for, but would kick and bite any one getting close enough...I delt with it, using him in the public domain for 15 years...only two people ever got kicked by him ( me and a guy who I told not to go in the pen with him, but replyed," aw, it'll be alright"...horse kicked him in the gut and sent him flying like a rag doll), and that's saying something when he was around hundreds of thousands of people all over the continent and he lived with me for 25 years till his death.
Dogs are are a lot less dangerous than a horse and easier to manage.

Seems that anyone smart enough to book a flight would have heard, over the past 17 years, that the airlines don't want bombs on board, so they will check each passenger to make sure they are not sneaking one aboard...amazing that people are so dumb.


mrdarcy (admin)

by mrdarcy on 06 January 2019 - 17:01

Nice to see you posting Hired Dog and an excellent post at that. Hope you can stick aroundWink Smile

by duke1965 on 06 January 2019 - 18:01

it seems to be extremely hard to understand for some(alot) of people that decision of TSA had NOTHING to do with workingqualities of any of breed of dog, but was purely made on a factor that has nothing to do with the detectionwork at all

the world we live in(the western part that is)is becoming mentally weaker and offended by everything and nothing, and any form of Democratic decisionmaking is thrown overboard to please minority whiners 


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