Belgian Malinois > What can you say about 4-4 linebreeding to Klemm? (20 replies)
What can you say about 4-4 linebreeding to Klemm?
by Amidamaru on 13 April 2012 - 08:46
|What can you say about this planned breeding? Thanks!|
by Brandi on 13 April 2012 - 11:12
|You mention 4-4 on Klemm, but what about the In-breeding of 2-2?|
I know nothing about Mali pedigrees but no matter what breed, a 2-2 is In-breeding. There are many great dogs out there, why breed so closely?
by asomich on 13 April 2012 - 21:14
|The breeder is trying to reproduce Gildo Vom Roten Sturm and set his type in this litter. He definitely has a goal in mind for his breeding program. Half sibling breeding is not uncommon with Mals. You will have to look at Gildo to see who he favors. If you are looking for Klemm, he is probably too far back. But if you really like Gildo, it would be a good breeding for you.|
by Amidamaru on 17 April 2012 - 04:22
Thanks for your comment guys..
by Judy P on 17 April 2012 - 14:42
|Knowing the von Roten Sturm dogs as well as I do I like this breeding and would love to know if you do it, I would be very interested in a puppy. I have Quando von Roten Sturm who is one of the best dogs I have ever owned. He is a Anja son, an incredible protection dog, good with people when properly introduced and very healthy.|
by Amidamaru on 18 April 2012 - 01:38
Thanks Judy. I got a reply from Hardy(Roten Sturn). Since I try to ask the possible outcome of this combo. And I will quote what exactly he told me in his email reply about Gildo and his littermates.
"produced a lot of very sharp males and females with different breeding partners. Gildo’s sisters Gina and GiGi, are very strong, civil and sharp, but also very stubborn; a bad combination when it comes to training. It is however a plus, if you are looking to get a Police K-9 Patrol dog or Prison dog where this temperament is wanted."
And when I ask about his idea on the said planned breeding..
"Gildo comes out of very strong and driven blood lines. He is very strong and also stubborn. The linebreeding is bit “crazy”, I find."
by Brandi on 18 April 2012 - 11:30
I've known Hardy for 12 years on and off as I moved around. He is the one who located and recommended a dog for me, who later became my Police Service Dog.
Anyway, take that last recommended sentence as a sign (as I originally said in my 1st post) to not do this close in-breeding.
Good luck and I'm glad you reached out to the source (Hardy) to locate accurate information,
by Amidamaru on 18 April 2012 - 14:23
Yeah. I know asking the breeder(Hardy) is the best way to get correct information. I guess I need to think over again about this breeding.
by Jhun Brioso on 20 April 2012 - 04:11
I have a dog out of Gildo v Roten sturm & he is everything what hardy has described.. Civil, sharp, High driven & stubborn. In some point i like it!
by joseph soriano on 29 July 2012 - 04:36
|It was a fantastic mating in th history:)|
by maliman on 30 July 2012 - 16:26
|do you have any video of the dogs your breeding?|
by Amidamaru on 01 August 2012 - 08:46
Yes, we do.
by maliman on 23 August 2012 - 05:20
|where can i see it? did you do the breeding?|
by DutchMali on 13 September 2012 - 02:16
|this line breeding is great..brandi if you have any clue about breeding malinois its never too close unless your talking same litter brother and sister..some of the best mali's in history were close line breedings|
by malndobe on 13 September 2012 - 14:50
|I didn't get the impression from Brandi's post that they were making any statements about line breeding in general, but that Hardy was not recommending this specific line breeding.|
by Amidamaru on 17 September 2012 - 00:53
The said breeding takes place and will be due first week of next month(October). We will be taking care and observing them carefully starting on day 1 until the time we can evaluate each of them. If we find the said breeding unfavorable, I guess we will be keeping them or within only to our club members. We are very much aware of any consequences for this particular breeding and we stand and take full responsiblity.
by asomich on 17 September 2012 - 17:24
|I would start finding some police or prison k9 homes and have them lined up for the pups when they are 14 months.|
Be ready to separate them at 8 weeks or even earlier. Lots of socialization. Don't put up with any signs of handler agression even when they are young pups - they can easily and quickly understand a calm voice that says no and a steady hand that gently pushes instead of hits or slaps them. Use lots of food to lure them to do what you want them to do. Reward them for good behavior. Avoid conflicts - don't have stuff out for them to get into, keep them restrained on leashes or in crates/kennels, etc - prevent them from getting into trouble so you don't have to correct them. Expect lots of emotional erruptions until they learn to control themselves. They will react without thinking - may get easily pissed off. Lots and lots of socialization and handling by different people.
by Amidamaru on 17 September 2012 - 23:07
Thanks for the tips. You are exactly right.
by Amidamaru on 28 September 2012 - 01:30
|The wait is over. Already gave birth to 5 males and 2 females. Their journey begins..|
by maliman on 28 September 2012 - 04:27
|Ron can you PM me a few videos of the dogs working?|