Belgian Malinois > Recommend a Breeder? (16 replies)
Recommend a Breeder?
by FastestK9inVT on 17 October 2011 - 03:49
I am posting here in hopes that I may find some help in finding a breeder for my future puppy. It seems that there are not an awful lot of Malinois-related forums out there, and the ones I have found either seem to be not very active or geared more toward AKC obedience and conformation, rather than working dogs. (Of course, if anyone has a good suggestion for Malinois forums, I'm happy to hear them, too!)
Anyway, I have had and handled German Shepherds for years and am much more familiar with Shepherds than Malinois. My current dog is a Belgian Malinois and she is just about everything that I would want from a new puppy. She has an absolutely rock-solid temperament, fantastic drive, and is wonderfully healthy. She is now a senior but most people who meet her still think she's a puppy because she still has a ton of energy, especially for bitework and scent work. She's a fantastic dog. She has Elgos Du Chemin Des Plaines and Bronco Perle des Tourbiere in her pedigree.
I am not at all as up on Belgian Malinois breeders as I am on German Shepherd breeders, so I'm hoping those more experienced will be able to chime in. I have gotten some recommendations from K-9 handler friends of mine, particularly TriState K-9, and have followed up on those leads and am considered them, but a lot of them are brokers / importers of green dogs rather than breeders and I think I'd prefer to start a puppy this time around. (Most my previous dogs were adults.)
I am looking for someone who is producing excellent temperament, excellent health, and excellent drives. I would be looking to train the puppy for scent work and Ringsport. (Coming from Schutzhund, going to Ringsport will be a change but there is a Ringsport Club within 2 hours drive but the nearest Schutzhund club is 4+ hours away, not counting Canada.)
My current dog does a little of everything. She does work in Schutzhund, but she also works as a Therapy Dog (and is fantastic at it). We've competed in Police K-9 "Iron Dog" competitions and done well, placed each time. We've also gone and taught dog safety to little kids at school. So what I'm really looking for is a pup that can continue to do "everything" I throw at my dogs - and have that temperament that can go from visiting as a Therapy Dog to doing bitework. IMHO a good, stable dog should be able to do everything but I am not seeing that with a lot of dogs (German Shepherds as well as Mals).
So ... recommendations?
And, if at all possible ... on the East Coast. I do not mind traveling to pick up OR shipping a pup, but would prefer to drive and pick up. Anywhere in New England or anywhere New York / Ohio to North Carolina would be ideal.
by BHutch on 17 October 2011 - 06:26
|I have some good pups available and more on the way. I would also check out queen City K9 in North Carolina. Ted, the owner is a good square guy and will treat you right. He has some real nice working pups on the ground right now also!|
Feel free to give me a call.
by shepherdace on 17 October 2011 - 07:38
|Try Martha Hunt.I would say I've seen some nice dogs among her dogs.Her phone number is 813 391 7485.|
by Jyl on 17 October 2011 - 08:26
|When you mentioned East coast and Malinois, the first person that came to mind was Ivan Balabanov. He is located in Florida. He is a very stand up person and knows Malinois VERY well. I would contact him.|
by FastestK9inVT on 17 October 2011 - 16:42
Thanks so much for the responses and suggestions.
Jyl, I will definitely look into Ivan Balabanov's dogs - although Florida is a bit far for me to go and pick up a puppy as I am in upstate New York on the Canadian border. I was hoping for someone not further south than North Carolina, really, so I can drive it rather than having the puppy shipped. (I'm not opposed to shipping but I'd definitely prefer to pick up, even though that may limit my options.) I'm familiar with Ivan (who isn't) and his accomplishments and his dogs are beautiful, so even though it's a little outside driving range will definitely consider him. I bet most his pups are long, long reserved before he ever breeds ... wonder how long his waiting list is?
Shepherdace - can you give me more information about Martha Hunt other than a phone number? How about a kennel name so I could do some research into her dogs before contacting her?
Brad - I'll check out Queen City K-9. What kind of pups do you currently have on the ground? Pedigree?
by Paul Konschak on 18 October 2011 - 00:26
Vom Roten Sturm
by dbeden01 on 18 October 2011 - 01:12
|If you are looking for someone in the New England region, I would recommend to talk to Konnie Hein from CT (http://laforgemalinois.homestead.com/index.html). She specifically selects for good temperament and nerve, in addition to workability and drive as most of her dogs are dual trained in French Ring and SAR (FEMA). I also actively compete in FR and see Konnie's dogs and her kennel's offspring routinely at training. Real nice person to work with and honest about the evaluation of her dogs and pups.|
by zippy283 on 21 October 2011 - 02:21
|Mohawks Malinois in Kentucky, www.mohawksmalinois.com|
They have two litters just born.
I am in California. After talking to John and watching some video, we had a 3 month old pup shipped here. Love her!! She came out of her crate ready to work. She is 7 months old now, full of drive and will work non-stop if I let her. However, she has an off switch - which is great. She knows when it's time to work and time to kick back and relax with the family, extremely loving--but not needy. I have started French Ring with her and she is learning quick. Hope this helps and hope ya find what you are looking for.
by Judy P on 23 October 2011 - 23:35
|As one poster said above I highly reccomend vom Roten Sturm. I have one of their dogs and could not be happier with him.|
by BHutch on 27 October 2011 - 01:25
|One of my litters can be found here:|
They are almost 7 weeks old and there are 5 females still available. They will be UKC registered. They go back on Turcados on dad's side.
The other litter can be found here:
These pups are almost 2 weeks old and there are 8 males and 2 females still available. They are not registered but go back on Turcados on dad's side and back on Klemm on mom's side. They should be some real high powered nice dogs.
by Wufpack on 27 October 2011 - 21:18
|I currently have an almost 2 week old litter. The sire, Tango ot Vitosha is OFA Excellent and was co-bred by Ivan Balabanov and John "Mohawk" Wiitanen. He's by Falcon Regulus, SCH3, OFA Excellent and out of Wiitanen's Lola, OFA Good. The Dam to my litter, Paw's Ranch Kahlua V Wufpack, Hips X-rayed clear, is by Land of Oz's Ice Blue Demon, OFA Good Hips and Elbows, and out of Brandi Vom Chadran, Hips X-rayed clear, whom I used to own. Both of the parents are very high drive and the sire is currently training in Protection Sport and the Dam will be after this litter is weaned.|
I expect these pups to be high drive and intense like their parents. You can see more about them on my website www.RoodHausBelgians.weebly.com We are located in North Florida.
by FastestK9inVT on 07 November 2011 - 06:41
|Thank you, everyone, for your responses. I've emailed a couple of the breeders suggested here, so hopefully I can find my perfect puppy.|
by RV22 on 11 November 2011 - 16:55
|If you want a Mal for ring, get a dog from ring lines. The OV does are all SchH dogs. I've heard good things about Konnie... Juice is a nice dog. We got our Mal pup from the west coast, but they're not having a litter any time soon. You want a Ring dog? Richie Bonilla just bred or is gonna breed his male, Vic... This dog is the 10, 11 NARA FRIII champ.., he's in FL at the Apache Ring Club Also, Kadi Thingvall with Dantero is going to be having a litter soon also with Mac X Extra I'd take pups from either of these litters, but of pressed... I'd go with Richies litter Gluck|
by FastestK9inVT on 17 November 2011 - 02:07
|RV22 - I agree that if I wanted a Malinois for Ring Sport, to get a Malinois from lines that do Ring Sport. However, I don't want a Malinois "for Ring Sport". I want a Malinois to be a companion, to do obedience, to take places, to involve in my everyday life. And yes, we'll do something constructive - obedience, Ring, SAR, whatever the dog turns out to be good at and enjoys. I want a rock-solid dog that has the drive to do well in a sport, but first and foremost, this dog is going to be a companion, not a competitor. If that makes sense.|
by Smallfarmer on 24 March 2012 - 14:03
|I have just purchased a small horse farm in NE and appreciated your description of wanting a dog as more of a companion then sporting/ show dog. Like you, I grew up with german shepards but think the Belgium Malinois might be a better fit for what I want now. Any recommendations from your research last fall? Thanks|
by MaliGirl on 24 March 2012 - 22:05
|If your looking for a dog on the East Coast - I would also suggest Vom Roten Sturm. I really really like Caraq (the sire of their upcomming litter) not just because of his accomplishments in sports...but also his wonderful temperment. I happened to be at the 2009 Northeast Regional competition where Caraq and his owner/handler Hardy won the competition. After the trial I approached Hardy and his wife to congratulate them - I had never met them before but was told they were very nice. I had always admired Caraq from afar because of his working abilities. Hardy and his wife opened the crate door to permit me to meet Caraq and out jumped Caraq. Caraq had a wonderful temperment - even with all the cars and people around and just completing the last day of competition....he was just wonderful. Just a beautiful example of the breed in structure as well. Caraq actually brought me his toy a few times and was accepting of me immediately. Hardy and his wife were very nice, taking the time (especially after a long weekend of competition) to speak with me.|
by RellikMalinois on 26 March 2012 - 14:18
|vom roten sturm deffinatly!|
i have a falco x chilli pup and a caraq x desi pup from them. Phenominal breeders. Sabine and Hardy will answer EVERY question before and after you buy. I reccomend them to anyone looking for a mal, i have been very very happy with them!