Belgian Malinois > E-Collars (13 replies)
by zorphious on 19 May 2011 - 19:54
|At what age is it recommended to start using an E-Collar? We are new to this and will be asking questions quite often.|
by Amidamaru on 20 May 2011 - 00:21
|If your dog doesn't need to have one. I suggest don't use E-collar. To those who used Ecollars most of their dogs ages from 2years or older.|
by Brittany on 08 June 2011 - 04:49
|Novice trainers should never use an E-collar without the supervision of an experience trainer. It's very easy to ruin a dog using this device so please go seek help from a professional trainer that has been doing this kind of work for quite some time.|
by allegretto on 18 June 2011 - 01:56
How old is your dog and what skills are you trying to instill?
by zorphious on 15 July 2011 - 06:37
by DutchMali on 17 August 2011 - 22:20
|i started using my sportdog e collar on my mali at 6 months very low 1 or two he is very stuborn and it always works wonders for me i only use it for obedience so i dont know how brittany says it will ruin your dog..maybe if your an idiot and use it on a young dog when doing bite work|
by PhxCowgirl on 17 August 2011 - 22:41
|The e-collar is a tool, and just like any tool it can be misused. How it is used and how the dog works with it all depends on the trainer and handler. I started my Mal at 7 weeks of age. He has TONS of drive and flash and never looks like his "spirit is broken". Yes thats right at 7 weeks. Does that mean I use it the same as I would on a 7 month old dog or even 7 years. NO. Cause everything is different depending on the dog, the age, the issues you might be having, and the direction you are hoping to go. As long as it is done correctly and not just as a correction, you will have a confident attentive dog. If you are not extrememly familiar with ecollars and training with them then I do highly recommend a professional trainer that is. There are alot of trainers out there, personally I can speak for Sit Means Sit, www.sitmeanssit.com . I'm sure there are others that are just as good. But either way, I would ask to see their dog. Does their dog look happy, confident, and do they listen. Does it look like how you want yours to look. Ask them to show you what they can do for you. And go with your gut. If you don't get a good feeling about a trainer then look for another. You need to like your trainer and work well with them in order to get the most out of their training program.|
So again, its not the age that matters as much as how you use it.
by Duderino on 23 August 2011 - 17:39
|And what issues were you having with a 7 week old puppy? Personally, If I had sold you that puppy, and I knew or found out that later you had put electric on it at 7 weeks, I would have come over to your house, taken the puppy back and given your money back as a bag of pennies. Do the dog world a favor and get out of it. Completely irresponsible and just an example of the misuse of not only the "tool" but of the pet training seminars that are commonly given by "geniuses" who took a Jim Dobbs' class and parlayed it into a snake oil dog business.|
by Doberdoodle on 24 August 2011 - 17:28
|If I had to give out a very general guideline, a dog should be at the minimum of 1 year of age, many trainers will agree with this. This is a tool that has high potential to be an aversive to the dog and to be mis-used in a way that can cause psychological damage, this is why everyone is saying find a trainer who is highly proficient with using the collar and can show you the best way to use it. Are some trainers using it to supress behaviors for pet owners and have them appear to be 'under control' because they are working to avoid stim for the collar, probably, and this is not going to be a good application for your dog.|
What applications are you using it for?
I see no reason to use any type of training collar on a 7-week old puppy!!!
by DutchMali on 28 August 2011 - 16:44
|you just have to know when and how to use it..although i do think 7 weeks is a little young i wouldnt start until 5 or 6 months but very light and it also depends what your using your dog for..i dont do any sports my dogs are stictly civil protection dogs so in my case i would not use the collar for any bite work until about 2 when i start introducing the "out" command and that would be as a last resort...|
by Duderino on 29 August 2011 - 05:59
|Good luck waiting until 2 to teach your Malinois to out. You're kinda new at this Malinois thing aren't you?|
by DutchMali on 30 August 2011 - 13:26
i should rephrase that because ive already introduced the out a month ago at 9 months..he's now 10 months..i have a female which i didnt introduce until about 2 because i liked that she was mean and completely anti-social but i have learned a little over the years and i told myself when i get my next mali im going to socialize him early and start early with training but i will not use the collar on him for bite work any time soon..but to answer your question i started training with shepherd and mali's around 2003 so about 8 years i guess thats new for you since your the malinois whisperer..
by Duderino on 30 August 2011 - 18:07
|Nope, that would be Mr. Magoo. I do however love the sarcasm from people like yourself that try and take shortcuts to good training by just throwing electric on a dog. Very few things I would put the big boy collar on a Malinois for. Giving teaching opinions, like you and Mr. Magoo (maybe there's a song in here somewhere) when you have owned/trained maybe 2 Malinois, is not fair to the less than experienced (like yourself and Mr. Magoo). Besides, I never whisper, I'm all about loud and proud.|
by Villan on 01 September 2011 - 21:32
|In my opinion E-collars are useless !|