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by astrovan2487 on 07 December 2018 - 13:12

I'm sure Ill get a bunch of crap for this but I agree with darylehret 100%. I spend a lot of time out west every year, about 3 weeks at Yellowstone this year and drove around that place endless hours, you know what I didn't see? Not a single elk. No deer, no moose, no antelope in the park. Saw a bunch of buffalo at the "ranch" they have but it's not the same. Ten years ago you saw so many elk, deer, antelope that you almost got tired of it. I heard countless people repeat the same observation I've made.

You have an area like Yellowstone that is protected all of the animals are concentrated there, you "reintroduce" an apex predator in that small area with no control on the population. The population gets out of control and its not good for anyone, not good for the wolves, or their prey. "Naturally" the populations would be spread all over the place. The simple, but not so nice solution is to control the population by hunting.

Just to add, I don't kill anything I won't eat and dont have any desire to shoot a wolf unless it's a threat.

by depetro on 07 December 2018 - 15:12

"legally hunted", and "New York-based Wolf Conservation Center " sums up the irrelevance at work here....How many wolves in New York? oh yeah, none.

Border11

by Border11 on 07 December 2018 - 16:12

Thank you Daryl,
For giving us both sides of the story ,plus very informative insight. I do agree with
you 100% an your replies are informative and well thought thru before posting. Although,
I have to take my Hat off to HANS FOR being a Good MAN & honorable in seeing and admitting
what is truth. I may not always agree with Him and Him with me, But I respect him and I have to
once again give him Kudos on this one. AS we are seeing both sides of the story
your explanation has brought about very important information from an angle that many never
see.

Kindest regards,
Border:)

by joanro on 07 December 2018 - 16:12

Daryle, I agree with you about controlling the population.
Same thing is happening here with coyotes. I used to think it as awfull when people shoot them. But after being inundated with huge coyote population within the past ten years, I'll shoot every coyote I see.

They wiped out 75 laying hens and ducks we had, scattering the fowel all over this place...breast meat eaten off, the reast of the animals left wasted, some they just left uneaten, but scattered all the way up the hill. Every day they would break into the enclosures and get five or more a night till their was only one hen left. Even our guinea fowel that were loose and slept up in the trees got wiped out.
Saw a coyote at 7 am one morning when I heard the chickens in a panic. I grabbed my rifle and went down the path to the chickens, and there's a stinking coyote with a hen in his mouth looking at me, he just trotted off at a casual rate and was out of gun sight behind trees before I could get a bead on him.

We used to have wild turkey here, could stand up here at the house and watch six or seven Tom's strutting and gobbling competing for the hens...every spring there would be a couple hens at atime hanging together with huge clutches of babies run together....now I never even see a so much as a turkey track any more because the coyotes have wiped them out.

Every night the coyotes are howling and yipping soon as it dark out....sometimes they are down by my horses, the other night they were right here on the terrace below the house. Sounds like twenty of them, they woke me up two nights ago they were so loud.

I have to keep close watch when I put dogs or pups out at night. 

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 07 December 2018 - 16:12

@ depetro - a few coywolves in the Bronx ...
susie

by susie on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

There is a report how much wolves influenced Yellowstone...

 



by ValK on 07 December 2018 - 18:12

we do have in Canada that problem when coyotes, bears, wolves for granted wandering in towns.
even deers and elks, attacks people and posing a threat, particularly in the mating season.
every year lots of such cases, some lethal and yet, minor but annoyingly noisy bleeding heart idiots do
prevail in lobbying for wildlife protection laws. nearly absurd - if you kill let's say grizzly by protecting itself,
there are fat chance you'll be fined for thousands of dollars.
susie

by susie on 07 December 2018 - 20:12

I am not sure what to think about wolves.
In West Germany we are not used to wolves at all, but thanks to a lot of renaturation they are coming back.

I guess I like wolves because they are part of nature, and they look like "wild" dogs, understandable for any GSD fan, maybe naive.

Now the horror stories arise - dead sheep, chicken already...
farmers complaining although the State pays the farmers for their loss.

We do have too much deer, too many wild boars, just because besides human hunters there are no natural enemies for them.

I do believe in balance of nature, hunter and prey, but we (the humans) destroyed this balance by raising herds, planten fields...
Our ancestors used herding dogs to get rid of wolves, today we are not used to them, we are helpless, we lost the knowledge , and we tend to believe money is more important than nature...

The wolves didn't find their way into my neck of the Woods yet, but I know they will arrive soon.
I hope I will like them after they arrived, too, and I hope we will remember that humans are only part of nature, but not god.
Koots

by Koots on 07 December 2018 - 20:12

The use of livestock guardian dogs to prevent livestock loss has increased in areas of higher predator numbers in Canada. As Susie says, man has upset natural predator/prey balance due to encroachment and human activity. But, with non-lethal interventions, people have found ways to deal with human/wildlife conflict in many cases. There is no 'easy solution' to this man-created problem, but hopefully we will be able to find better ways to 'manage' wildlife so that future generations will be able to view animals in their natural environment.

I am fortunate in that I live in an area which is often like a game trail with deer, elk, bears, turkeys, coyotes, rabbits, etc. wandering through my yard. I have heard some locals tell of wolves in the area but have not seen them nor have any pics on my game cameras set up on the property.

by depetro on 07 December 2018 - 20:12

@Hundmutter New York has coyotes state wide..they are not coydogs, or coywolves, they're coyotes.


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