LIFT THE BAN ON NERO'S PROGENY - Page 3

D.H this was exactly my views on the subject, if the already papered progeny came to the UK for instance, there is nothing to stop them being exhibited and bred from, sad as it may seem, basically anything goes here and anything can be bred from provided it is registered with the English Kennel Club. This doesnt make it right or wrong, just a fact. You obviously couldnt take the progeny back to Germany, but not everybody from the UK wants to show in Germany. Interesting scenario. Will be interested to see whether the SV reconsiders or not and whether there any resulting law suits. Will watch with interest.

I agree with Solo 100%the bann should be lifted, as it is not compusary in Germany to check elbows YET and the SV approves with this untill now. And the dog was at that time an Approved SV stud male.All they should do is make sure all the progeny has elbows checked,which any good breeder will do.

And the dog was at that time an Approved SV stud male. ______________________ Do your homework before you make such a statement. When it happened Nero was not a stud dog, he had no right to ever become one. Anyway, all his progeny will be sold now, it's a great opportunity to all of you to buy them, and show them and breed them in your countries. Just because he's banned in germany does not mean you can not breed him in other countries. What a big opportunity for you!!

Martin, I wouldn’t be surprised. I would file up a lawsuit my self if a breeder tried and corrupted my breeding program by hiding all the True facts of the sire or dam of my breeding female or male. D.H, that’s the scary part. I have nothing against Nero but if Nero progeny comes to the USA and gets AKC registered that they can still get AKC litter papers, simply because AKC doesn’t care too shits if theirs something wrong with either male or female dogs… just worry if their going to get the $$$$ for the Litter registration. I guarantee this will happen sooner or later. Just sit back and watch. The moral is that were trying to IMPROVE the breed and hopefully in the near future that the GSD breed will be cleared for any health issues, like HD or ED. I wonder if SV will request an explaintion to Nero's owners? I would love to get the english translation as to the reason and why they did this and did it so sneakly.

Martin stated: "Anyway, all his progeny will be sold now, it's a great opportunity to all of you to buy them, and show them and breed them in your countries. Just because he's banned in Germany does not mean you can not breed him in other countries. What a big opportunity for you!!" Most, if not ALL kennel Clubs around the World, require the original registration papers to be transferred into your ownership, by the original countries Kennel Club, in order to REGISTER THE DOG IN YOUR NAME, IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. Be very careful you do not buy a dog that cannot be registered in your own country, because it has been BANNED in its original country.

>>>What about the DNA fiddles, or mistakes, should their progeny have been banned??? <<< It's been done but we're not talking VA dogs here so I guess we needn't take notice - huh!? --------------------- DNA analysis has shown that Ondra vom Finsterwaldereck“ is not the dam of the H-Wurf von Hildchensruh“ 1955883 – 1955885, the mother of this Litter could not be identified! SV annulled the following Ahnentafeln: B-Wurf vom Amylum Wurftag: 22.06.2002 SZ-Nr. 2106122-26, C-Wurf vom Amylum Wurftag: 18.03.2003 SZ-Nr. 2122115-21, N-Wurf vom Falkberg Wurftag: 05.10.2002 SZ-Nr. 2112542-45, Q-Wurf vom Falkberg Wurftag: 24.04.2003 SZ-Nr. 2123561-563, H-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag: 15.09.2002 SZ-Nr. 2111196-202, K-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag: 12.04.2003 SZ-Nr. 2122474-77, M-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag: 24.05.2003 SZ-Nr. 2125101-05, D-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 11.04.2001 SZ-Nr. 2084999-5000, H-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 02.06.2002 SZ-Nr. 2107136-37, I-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 12.07.2002 SZ-Nr. 2111064-65, N-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 08.12.1997 SZ-Nr. 2013342, P-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 21.06.1998 SZ-Nr. 2025587-89, U-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag: 31.12.1998 SZ-Nr. 2035349-52, R-Wurf vom Illeiforst Wurftag: 15.12.2002 SZ-Nr. 2117877-83, Y-Wurf Orthys Wurftag: 07.03.2000 SZ-Nr. 2093389, B-Wurf Polux Bohemia Wurftag: 15.08.1999 SZ-Nr. 2093388 and 2093390, ------------- DNA analysis has also shown that Hexe von der Staßfurter Flur is not the dam of the „J-Wurf von der Goldperle SZ 1979601- 06“ Uta vom Erlenhorst has been identified as the dam of this Litter but … at the time at which this Litter was conceived Uta vom Erlenhorst had not yet been permitted to breed. SV annulled the following Ahnentafeln: C-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 15.03.2002 SZ-Nr. 2102060-65 E-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 06.05.2002 SZ-Nr. 2103456-60 J-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 12.12.1996 SZ-Nr. 1979601-06 F-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 18.05.1999 SZ-Nr. 2045423-30 G-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 28.05.1999 SZ-Nr. 2045843-52 L-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 15.11.1999 SZ-Nr. 2056334-39, O-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 08.01.2000 SZ-Nr. 2057694-99, Q-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 18.04.2000 SZ-Nr. 2063664-71, R-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 05.11.2000 SZ-Nr. 2074861-65, W-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 06.07.2001 SZ-Nr. 2088720-23, Y-Wurf von der Goldperle Wurftag 05.08.2001 SZ-Nr. 2088731-33, B-Wurf vom Fliederhof Wurftag 24.07.2000 SZ-Nr. 2076142-50, G-Wurf vom Fliederhof Wurftag 28.06.2001 SZ-Nr. 2091245-50, H-Wurf vom Fliederhof Wurftag 28.09.2001 SZ-Nr. 2092123-26, J-Wurf vom Fliederhof Wurftag 24.01.2002 SZ-Nr. 2099154-55, M-Wurf vom Fliederhof Wurftag 31.08.2002 SZ-Nr. 2111204-07, B-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag 19.06.2000 SZ-Nr. 2068525-28, W-Wurf von Hildchensruh Wurftag 15.05.1999 SZ-Nr. 2047027-28, F-Wurf vom Traumsee Wurftag 30.06.2002 SZ.-Nr. 2110130-34, Y-Wurf vom Traumsee Wurftag 06.06.2000 SZ-Nr. 2066442-43, J-Wurf von der Lindengaststette Wurftag 10.07.2000 SZ-Nr. 2069210-14, A-Wurf vom Erlenhorst Wurftag 29.10.2000 SZ-Nr. 2085595-602, N-Wurf vom Illeiforst Wurftag 03.05.2001 SZ-Nr. 2086313-318, And ALL of their progeny!

"Most, if not ALL kennel Clubs around the World, require the original registration papers to be transferred into your ownership, by the original countries Kennel Club, in order to REGISTER THE DOG IN YOUR NAME, IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY" ___________________________ You too do your homework. Just because his progeny cant be bred, it is still registered. You can reregister it to who you want. What you can not do is get their progeny be registered with the Zuchtbuchamt.

WOW! What a nightmare! Surely the SV have unequivocably established that he is not breedworthy before placing such a ban? But if he is truly not fit to breed from, why was this not found earlier? It seems very harsh to ban all those innocent puppies. Why can't they just stop future breedings and let the puppies stand on their own merit; if they are not considered breedworthy themselves then fair enough. Where is the happy medium? In the UK there are far too few controls, it would be nice to have more!

Martin stated: "Anyway, all his progeny will be sold now, it's a great opportunity to all of you to buy them, and show them and breed them in your countries. Just because he's banned in Germany does not mean you can not breed him in other countries. What a big opportunity for you!!" Solo Stated Most, if not ALL kennel Clubs around the World, require the original registration papers to be transferred into your ownership, by the original countries Kennel Club, in order to REGISTER THE DOG IN YOUR NAME, IN YOUR OWN COUNTRY. Be very careful you do not buy a dog that cannot be registered in your own country, because it has been BANNED in its original country. That was my questioned if Nero's progeny is banned than I would think that means the SV will not give out the AKC Bescheinigung's. Am I correct???? So more people will get conned into buying a unregisterable dog. Just my thoughts.

A question: a breeder here in the USA is offering on his website puppies out of Nero expected in November 2004. Is this at all possible? When was Nero banned from breeding?