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Koots

by Koots on 20 September 2019 - 19:09

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=302-mink-vom-haus-wittfeld

What can you tell me about Mink, and Lindenhalle breedings?     I wish that I had paid more attention to the knowledgeable people talking 'shop' in the dog club back in the day, but then I had a Malinois so didn't soak up as much as I would have liked to, lol.     I am looking for information about the strengths, weaknesses, health (issues or not) and general knowledge about Mink and Lindenhalle lines dogs.   If you don't want to post anything, please PM me.  TIA.

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 21 September 2019 - 12:09

http://www.vomhausming.com


Contact Haus Ming Kennel this breeder is an expert about Mink



 

 

by duke1965 on 21 September 2019 - 14:09

years ago people where afraid that all GSD would be offspring of either mink or Ferro, fact today is that we see tons of Ferro lined dogs and not so many Mink lined dogs,

so maybe that says something about his offspring being not so much used and not producing that many noticable dogs as expected.

furthermore, having mink in the pedigree 4 or 5 generations back will tell you absolutely nothing about the actual dog you are seeking info on

 

 

emoryg

by emoryg on 21 September 2019 - 15:09

No idea what type of sport dogs came from the lines, but the police dogs who carried Mink were above average. I never worked or knew any k-9 handlers that had sons from Mink. I only saw grandsons with most through Lewis and the Lindenhalle line. I suspected a few other dogs carried his line, cause they all seemed to look alike Could be stubborn at times, drives were plentiful as well as confidence. Stable dogs. Not nervy, high strung where’s my toy before I try to catch my tail type dogs. Many times handlers had no papers on their dogs, but you see enough of the line and it makes you wander if that’s who they came from. I did test a schutzhund titled son or grandson from Mink, but can’t positively remember his name. Nice dog though. A man named Joe Kuhn was his owner if anyone can recall the dog.

As Duke said, he’s pretty far back. I would be more interested in having him through Lewis in hopes of finding females who may still carry the teeth on skin trait that Jana Glockencek was able to dish out. Good luck.

Koots

by Koots on 22 September 2019 - 04:09

...who may still carry the teeth on skin trait that Jana Glockencek was able to dish out.

Sorry, not familiar with that term's meaning "teeth on skin trait"...maybe I'm just dense, lol.   

I was just curious about the dog, and what he produced as you don't see a lot of him in lines.    I realize that by now, his influence may be quite minimal, unless people kept close to his genetic lines/traits, but that doesn't mean I can't gain some useful knowledge about him.   

What about the breeder of Lindenhalle dogs?    Any more info on that?   TIA again.

 

BlackMalinois

by BlackMalinois on 22 September 2019 - 08:09

 


The problem is if you never seen or worked this dogs yourself you only hear stories and more stories on the www.what is true and what isn,t
If I wanna have valuable and trustfull info about a dog I wanna see this dog for real or talk
with the handler or people and decoys on the club who worked with the dogs themself. or breeders who personal used this dog as a stud and what this dog produce  and wich what  kind of females.

I also not believe in much influence from 1 dog beyond 4th generation in a pedigree.

Don,t know this info is correct

Many people think of Mink as a super dog. I am not one of these people. Breeding dogs is an art form. There are no super dogs (are the owners of Fero dogs listening ?). I compare breeding to making bread. Using the wrong kind of yeast or flour will give you a totally different kind of bread than what you may have wanted. Putting Mink in the pedigree will not always guarantee a dog that has good nerves with strong drives.

When bred well the Minks dogs make excellent police service dogs. They have very good prey drive, many are good narcotic�s or bomb dogs and they are environmentally sound. They can be dominant or handler aggressive and are therefore not the best choice for novice handlers. Many have excellent hunt drive. Unfortunately hunt drive is not a drive that is easily seen on the sport field and is therefore not recognized by many sport trainers. This is to bad because we need more hunt drive in our GSD�s.

Most of the Mink dogs that I know have good hips and as a rule, weak heads. The heads are narrow and lacked a good STOP. This becomes more evident when dogs are line bred on Mink. The narrow heads will sometimes give you a slight over-bite so its important that the female have a strong head. Breeders must also be aware that Mink can give you small dogs. I had less of a problem than most in this area but I still saw it in a few dogs.

Because the Mink dogs have so much prey drive many of their owners train them only in prey. As the dogs mature this often leads to control problems. These problems escalate when compulsion is added to maintain control. The dogs then either go into defense or they become hectic in prey. When that happens the grips deteriorate. This can be a problem for sport people. I also think that many Mink dogs have genetically chewy grips but with good training this can be controlled.





 

 

emoryg

by emoryg on 22 September 2019 - 13:09

Koots, it just means the female does not have a problem putting teeth to a person.  Almost all GSD lack this ability due to an involuntary restraint that has been bred into them.  This is why there are so many tricks and gimmicks that are used to try to convince the dog in protection training that a person is just an over sized bunny rabbit or that that the person is just an extension of a tight fitting bite suit.  The females I refer to are genetically inclined to bite, so they governed by a voluntary restraint in which training is geared towards teaching when and where it is appropriate and inappropriate to do so.  They display the genetic component that may be passed to their male progeny. 

 

Here’s a video of Mink that someone located on youtube.  The dogs I knew all looked like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WqXgZu8AZ0Q

 


by Nans gsd on 22 September 2019 - 15:09

Personally I like his video, seen faster dogs but like him and his looks; it's the over done flewy heads and dogs I do not like.

Koots

by Koots on 22 September 2019 - 15:09

Thanks Emoryg - that's what I was inclined to think you meant, but didn't want to make any assumptions, lol. So, with Jana's progeny, the matter was more of a 'what/when' to bite, and teaching bite 'inhibition' rather than teaching how/who/what to bite. I totally get that, as I had to teach my present adult dog what he could bite, and where, to train him in sport in order to be safe for the helper.

BlackMalinios - what source was that from? Was it an interview with a breeder, and whom? It's interesting what Duke says about the theory of the time that Mink or Ferro would be in most dogs peds in future. As we have seen, Ferro has much influence whereas Mink does not.

I was looking at this pedigree which has Mink in it, but also is linebred on Dasty Gries:

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=2878619-irko-z-vetrovej-luky

I seem to recall a training friend many years ago who had a dog that was related to Mink, but alas cannot recall much about her dog or what the chatter in the clubhouse related to, hence this thread.    Thanks to all participants for sharing your knowledge.

by duke1965 on 23 September 2019 - 03:09

 

interesting that you mention Irko, I sold that dog to USA, in looks and work nothing like mink, crushing hard and calm grips, strong build dog with strong head, worked some of his offspring, strong dogs, high posession, hard grips, but wouldnot think its a plus or a minus that lindenhalle/mink is somewhere behind him

would say that is more accidental than a choice

 


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