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susie

by susie on 29 March 2018 - 20:03

Given that Mals, DS, and X-crosses are dogs, too, their behavior can't be that uncommon ... 😎
It's always about genetics and selection, not more, not less.
GSDS are no Mals, Mals are no Goldens, Goldens are no Dachshounds.

A lot of Mals do work out of a combination of very pronounced prey and very pronounced aggression - this is not the "classic" way for working dogs as we are used to it, but it seems to work pretty well...
In " real life " it doesn't matter why something ( in this case the dog ) functions, only results count.

A GSD is no Mal, the initial temperament should be different, personally I don't even like comparisons between the breeds.

That said it's always the responsibility of the breeders - does the breeder try to maintain an allround/universal breed like the GSD or does the breeder try to mimic other breeds only because they are better in some single traits, but don't represent the breed as a whole?


by duke1965 on 30 March 2018 - 04:03

but in the end, even a maliois or KNPV mix malinois , that lacks stable nerves and courage will not function

even if the high drive might cover that up for a while


susie

by susie on 30 March 2018 - 09:03

Sure

by Gustav on 30 March 2018 - 11:03

I agree, Susie....they are different dogs from GS with different core strengths( in most cases)in that both are able to produce results in the same venues( as long as the dogs are capable as Duke points out).


by apple on 30 March 2018 - 12:03

Susie,
I agree with your comment that it is the results that matter. All the semantics and terms/jargon is of value to the breeders so that they know what drives and nerve levels are motivating a dog and can make the best selections for breeding partners/pedigrees.

by ValK on 31 March 2018 - 20:03

seems here at PDB was topic, started by Toni in attempt to figure out definition, traits and meaning of "civil" in application to dogs.
https://is.gd/Bp6z4E


susie

by susie on 31 March 2018 - 21:03


by ValK on 01 April 2018 - 03:04

danke schon Susie.
interesting discussion but with similar outcome - again all was routed to a dog's drives, with sporadic name's calling, my guess for a change and spice up conversation :)


by duke1965 on 01 April 2018 - 07:04

the dog from error topic is real good dog, I bred his mum again to civil, old style male and one of pups is in KNPV

owner is/was used to sport GSD and found it strange that pup didnot go to, and jumps up to everybody

so I explained that is normal for type of dog, now the pup is about 5 months and bites good, but also shows good civil agression, owners love him,but say they never seen this in a 5 month pup

but not all people in the club are liking this so much, as they prefer clean focus on sleeve/suit

now if worked good in prey the dog wil be good IN SPORT and have no issues, and the genetic civil agression is there to be triggerred at any desired moment


by ValK on 01 April 2018 - 17:04

duke, from what i saw in video, hard to make conclusion about dog's "civility". bite by itself was accidental, fully based on dog's excited mood.
such bite can happen even in situation when handler plays with his/her dog.
another thing which seed the doubt - based on the reaction of helper. seems like bite was quite weak and bite release was too easy.
as i understand the dog in video was an year old. that's not puppy anymore but a young dog who (having fighter traits) does beginning to
challenge opponent if circumstances arise. in video it looks to me like dog did the bite and immediately felt guilt for such action.






 


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