Sweepstakes $ for titling dogs? - Page 4

It just HURTS to see what AKC has done to their dogs that they now call “German Shepherd”! These dogs have nothing to do with German shepherd, and must be renamed somehow. It is a shame and a pity site! Am breeders are allowed to give full registration papers to any pups they breed, including spooky ones, those from leukemia carriers, those with Dysplastic hips, etc! This is a shame! Most of Am GSDs are susceptible to bloat! I herd that it is a common practice to stitch the bitch’s stomach back in place, and then breed her anyway! My friend has got an Am GSD pup that will scream on top of her lungs if she sees another puppy! But the owner is extremely proud of her wired Am bloodlines, and will proudly breed her! It just really breaks my heart – there is no any serious organization here to put an end to this, because $$$ are involved!!!! Yes, there might be some good Am line dogs, but they are in no means able to justify all the S#$%T that goes on in the US with this breed!

In 1995, I had a couple of friends over from Germany, who are wellknown breeders. Wewent to an All-Breed AKC Show in Manassas, VA, and we watched the Am Shepherds, in cluding Jane Firestone's Mystique (that was her name, right?). Our friend came to the conclusion that these dogs looked strange, not like a GSD in motion, but he envied the long upper arms (although they are too steep). And he thought of "Mystique" that she would not place at the end of her class at the German Sieger Show either - I am just quoting. I don't like Am GSDs, but I agree with Blitzen - keep an open mind and tolerate other people, too. And there are shows like the AKC style ones in Germany and all over Europe, too. Fanto vom Hirschel and Timo vom Berrekasten won them once as Best of Show, competing aginst their own (males and females) and other breeds, too. Blitzen, are you going to the Long Island (USA) show in 2 weeks, or to Nashville? If you want to, please e-mail us privately.

Makosh, PLEASE read my post again, I said IN MY OPINION it would be ABOUT the equivilent of a V1,2,3,4, ONLY BASED ON THE CONFORMATION AND MOVEMENT PART". I also went on to say that there is nothing else required other than the way the dog LOOKS, MOVES and that IT DOESN'T BITE THE JUDGE. Plese don't take it all out of context. I didn't say a Sieger or a Va or a V rating at the sieger show, did I? And I never said that any AKC dog would pass an SV temperament test, attain a Sch title or pass an endurance test. I was trying to give Lathan an example he could relate to, I thought he might not understand English all that well and I thought his questions were sincere. Had I known you guys were going to line up for a gangbang, I'd have been smarter and passed up on trying to share my AKC knowledge. It's obviously not welcome on this list, stupid me thought it was. Just in case you didn't read all of my posts on this subject, I DO NOT own an AKC line GSD, never have. I still try to educate myself by learning from EVERYONE who shows and breeds GSD's. I don't know it all. As far as what goes on in the US with the breed, I won't even go there and tell you the screwing I've got and almost got from breeders with imports or relay the stories of others. Not every breeder of US junk is into American lines, I doubt you really believe that yourself.

Blitzen, an equivalent meens equal, or can be compared to, and that is not the case with AKC chempion and V rating! This is a very bad example to give to someone! You are very welcome in this message board! What is not wellcome is Am line dogs in the GSD jene pool, unless they prove they are worth it! I have never said that all imports are good! MANY of them are junk that Germans don't want for themselves!

Hi Chris, I've been trying to figure out a way to make it to Nashville, but nothing is working out for me. 12 hours is a long trip all by myself. Sorry to say I won't be at Long Island either. I am interested in seeing and studying more of the imported dogs. Tha bitch you spoke of, Ch Altana's Mystique, was the top winning AKC GSD of all time, the best there was at that time. Sorry to hear that she was not liked by the Germans. There is a KKL1, V rated import that just finished his AM Championship, V1 Esko von West-Germanien, sorry I don't know his sire or dam. He's owned by Morton Goldfarb. Is anyone on the list familar with him? I haven't seen him, but he looks very nice on his photos. The AKC breeders are closed minded for the most part, most want the extreme dogs with the sloping topline, flying trot and overangulation. Not my cup of tea, but I talk to them and look at their dogs anyway. You just never know LOL.

Whatever, Makosh.

All I can say is Whoa, Sheesh, things are changing to some degree in the Associations we know. I think in the long run it will all work out and they all be about under the same "Standard" as there are so many people that do RECOGNIZE that the GSD here in America, and what has happened to it. Why argue, is the the high school debate team? Are you all the TOP people whom breed>? I have the feeling that about 99.5% of that answer would be NO. I do understand the facts,the wanted,or demanded "Standard"but this is America,and not Europe. We have enough Politics going on with our own Country right now! Within time I think we wil all see change if we just do one thing"AGREE" thats kind of like the Democrats not getting along with the Republicans,but when all is said and done and under the same Administration, they all heed to do thier job,and ALL support one another.Ive bene in all facets of training but one isnt better than the other, as long as the stress is applied to the animal,and it passes the training then a job well DONE to whomever did it! I will not deny that bad judges are out there"I have seen much of that happen" and with a couple of the TOP breeders in this Nation"they are worthless"but times are changing! Beam Me Up Scotty, Did you not ever see or hear of this? Please look: http://www.gsdca-wda.org/workingdogsport.htm Jerry