Sweepstakes $ for titling dogs? - Page 3

Whoa,,Blitzen, with all respect, an AKC "Champion" does not compare to the SV show dogs. The Ambred doesnt even adhere to the standard. Have you ever actually compared 2 adult males side by side? Wonder why there is a difference? The good ole' AKC. If that one basic scenario doesnt put it all into perspective for anyone, its hopeless to try to explain it form here. Tempermant and working ability are atrocious but that is whole other issue.

Lathan, I was not critizing the show folks sending their dogs over to Germany for titiling - the remark was illustrating that the politics have split the breed not only into two segmanets, but that those segments are now in opposing political organizations - both of which profess to want to follow the ideals of the SV breeding program. Good trainers are very hard to find here. That is a fact. Good clubs with good trainers who enjoy the dogs are generally more heavily populated with working line dogs, and unfortunately, many will not bother with the politics and only want to work dogs who show good potential. The clubs wehre the show line people Generally - and there are exceptions always - populate are more geared to just getting by or sending the dog away, and usually the club is "owned" by a show line kennel. A couple of friends in another city have gone to one of these clubs, and saw little to no bite work, but lots of stacking - on a training day. It is sad taht there is no club or helper in that city to really work dogs. Not everyone has the resources to send their dogs overseas.

Hi, beam me up scotty I agree with your points, Yes I see a there are some people That are not big on the working side and that is not good good for breeds I you have think make some point about some Club. Working is a big part of what make the GSD great I love the show line as well as the working but if they dou't work what is the point. Blitzen, AKC Show Sound good for people with Troy breed Not a GSD, AKC is for people that like to play dolly house. There is no way you can Say champion is like V rating GSD. AKC all about look! of the handler then the dogs. Please

Hucklebuck, Let's just agree to disagee on this. The import vs America wall will never come down no matter what either of us say or think. Thanks for a spirited debate. We are on the same page about one thing, our love of the breed and that's really what it's all about in the end.

Well hell, Lathan, You asked what it takes to get an AKC Championship and I told you. I was trying to explain what an AKC title would be compared to a title earned at an SV style show, and that was the only example I could think of. I could have said sieger or Va and really got myself into a lot more trouble I guess. Just trying to answer your question, not trying to convert you to the dark side LOL.

The import vs America. Bliten, what is this are you o.k in mind? The Fact is AMline is no good at all. you says that love the breed You like the breed and you are no good for the breed Gsd breeds. Please this database good place for people that breed Gsd line and want to learn more about the breed.

OK, whatever you say, Lathan. My mistake for thinking you were sincere when you asked that question.

Blitzen, I Thank you time and your answer about the akc show. I am very sincere about this breed. I love GSD, so must say there are people are no good for the breed. May be you are ony breeding sv line now and you are living in the past its must be hard let the past and the Amline go!

Lathan, I am not a GSD breeder, I own one pet male, 100% German showlines. I show another working breed at AKC shows. Have done that for 35 years. I've had an deep interest in GSD's since 1970. I started to learn all I could way back then and had the good fortune to have met many of the foundation breeders here in the US. Their dogs for mostly imported from Germany. Bought my first GSD in 94, an imported SchI sire, an American line bitch. He died from leukemia at 7 1/2. My present GSD is 2 1/2, as I said 100% German showlines, his sire a KKL1, V rated dog imported to the US. His dam is also a German import, not breed evaluated since she was under 2 when she came here, she has a BH. Both are well bred with some of the top German dogs in their pedigrees, Wildsteigerland, Arlett, Weinerau, Trienzbachtal, Beluga and others that are most likely behind your dogs too. At one time I thought I might like to breed a litter or 2 from imported stock. However, I changed my mind when trying to find a mentor, someone who would not cheat me blind and who lived up to their promises. I've been breeding dogs long enough to not get sucked into to abyss of paying $5,000 for a puppy with no guarantees. Also, there are no good Schutzhund clubs around here, the ones here do not want showlines and one uses abusive training methods I won't use. I'm not the type to send my dog off to be trained, either I do it or it doesn't get done. So, if I'm not going to title, I'm not going to breed. I do not close my mind to anything about the GSD, I am here to learn from all with the knowledge and desire to teach.

Blitzen: "IMO, an AKC Champion would be about the equivilent of a V 1,2,3,4 only based on the conformation and movement part" There is no way an AKC Champion can be EQUIVALENT to V1,2,3 or even V156!!!!! To get V rating a dog must have Kkl, which means TEMPERAMENT test, SchH TITLE, ENDURANCE test!!! That is in no way an equivalent to any kind of thin legged and thin faced Am "Champion"!