American Staffordshire Terrier > American Staffordshire Terrier Bloodlines, and whats happening to them. (9 replies)
American Staffordshire Terrier Bloodlines, and whats happening to them.
by RuffianGirl on 14 June 2012 - 22:32
by urafool on 22 June 2012 - 21:57
|.....perhaps you should start by taking a look at your pup with that faulty nose? why haven't the great new "Ruffian" breeders removed this fault .|
Hope this helps..
by RuffianGirl on 25 June 2012 - 20:29
|The nose has nothing to do with a good bloodline. It will eventually fill in by a year. This often happens with Ruffians. What I consider faulty is taking a good bloodline, and adding things to something that is already. Thats what is wrong. Also bad outcrossing and irresponsible breeding is what is allowing all these great lines to suffer. A pink nose will fill in. It is not a rednose, like a pit. I hope you do some research yourself and learn about what your talking about. My fiance has owned the 1969 Specialty champion, as well as other Ruffian/Gallant champions. Do not tell me that I dont know a damn thing. Your a child, and no absolutely nothing about this breed. Take your anger out on Bullypedia. Ciao.|
by urafool on 28 June 2012 - 03:48
| The issue is that you have missed the party, this breed peaked in the late 70's thru early 90's.|
1969 champion? Where is the direct male carrying on this 1969
champions particular kennel today?? ALL YOU HAVE IS PICTURES !!
Don't knock Bullypedia, there are folks there who know more about staffs than the little bit you seem to know.
All the pretty horse and staff pics
aren't going to help you in this "EDUCATED", exchange.
by FromUrcosNotDead on 09 July 2012 - 01:20
|Urafool,you are kidding ? On Bullypedia where is people who know something about stafs ? lol......|
Let me see:on the first page you have an interesting publication on the last Air Jordan shoes (july 6th)....you have also a video on a typical american bully show where we can see a lot of freaks handled by second class pin-up (sorry ladies) ^^
Do you really think that people who is more interested in fashion wear,nude girls and redneck cars can know something about an old breed like amstaf or pitbull ? It's a joke to read you guy ....LMAO
Old pictures and knowledge will be still better to have than a lake of ignorance in canine genetic and health issues !!! Rendez-vous in 40 years to see american bully evolution ;-)
by RuffianGirl on 18 July 2012 - 14:19
|Thank you FromUrcosNotDead........Amen.......This is the type of ignorance that I cannot stand, so I usually do not reply.........But Ambullies are a travesty to the breed. Sorry. They are. Genetic, issues, and health are greatly at risk...These types of dogs could never truly be funtional. Except maybe for a BBQ. The true AST's and APBT's, now those were functional, and still are today if they are not being ruined by ignorance, bad breeders, and people with no knowledge at all......Ambully evolution LMAO! Evolve into a pig.....I wrote the above paragraph to explain what is happening to bloodlines, not to show off my dog. :/ I am not this way. But its true, bloodlines are at risk. And I dont want to see it happen........|
by bullybehavior on 18 July 2012 - 15:56
|A nose? Pfft, like that matters in the dog's original functionality.|
I agree with what you've wrote, Ruffian Girl, except that these are still APBTs. We are not looking at a different breed. *I* think that a large portion of the issue is that "Staf" people these days are breeding for what they feel a Staf is...a bulkier version of the Pitbull. Not true. This is the same breed. APBTs come in all sizes/shapes, but what doesn't/shouldn't change is the attitude, athleticism, and tenacity to get whatever the job is - done.
I agree with what you say about the bad foot, in theory - it is our responsibility as breeders to breed something better than what we are looking at. You always should strive for better - not simply status quo. There are reasons to use dogs with faults, if that wasn't done - we wouldn't have any dogs. The key, is to be educated enough to know what works and what doesn't...and the balls to cull if you make a mistake on your breeding.
I think the issues in this day/age are VERY broad and everybody probably has a different idea on the demise of the breed and why. However, people need to grow up and make decisions that better the breed...i.e. if you have a dog with an improper temperament, put it to sleep - there is no room for that in our breed. If you have a dog with a serious health issue - spay/neuter and move on! I have spent thousands and thousands on dogs that I don't own anymore - I gave them back or put them down - just because a dog is breathing does not give it the right to swim in the gene pool IMHO!
Just my .05 cents :-)
by RuffianGirl on 18 July 2012 - 20:37
|Your 100% right.....A true Amstaff is nothing more than an APBT....What breeders are doing today is breeding what they thing an AST should be. basically a different breed. Not functionability whatsoever. All I ever hear is people trying to "improve" the amstaff. There needs to be no improvement.....lol. And the pink nose thing, wow, that is a trait of Ruffians....My boys grandsire's nose didnt fill in completely until he was a few years old. But I'd rather have a pink nose, than an unfunctional, fat hippo trotting around the ring....Toay there are more faults, than I care to look at. The breed is changing. And when it comes to Amstaffs, Im oldschool......And I also agree with you....sad to say, some dogs do not need to be in the gene pool. Plain and simple. Thats why during the 60's and 70's and earlier, these dogs were the best! The breeders understood this theory about breeding the best and weeding out the bad. There are only a few good breeders today that I will do any type of business with.........I want people true to the breed. :)|
by RuffianGirl on 18 July 2012 - 20:42
|And to urafool, you are a fool, "The Great New Ruffian Breeders" What great new? Ruffians have been around for so long, they are the foundation of amstaffs/Pit Bulls....The early Ruffians were around since the 40's. The breeders today are warping the Ruffian Amstaff into something else. Something that the Ruffian never was, and shouldnt be today...And the pictures of horses I supposedly hijack? WTH is wrong with you?The whole internet is hijacked! You think I own arabians, Friesians, and all the old Amstaff pictures I have? I wish! LMFAO! Get real and leave me ALONE!|
by heramp on 17 October 2012 - 09:23
|I'm not a great expert on the breed, but I want to tell my experience. Now ACT izgledzhat very large and cumbersome, and other minor flaws. For me, this is not standard. And much resent that line and change the standard of this beautiful breed.|