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by susie on 19 August 2018 - 21:08

And -

the proteine source ( meat/plants/fish ) doesn't matter.

Proteine + vitamine ( no matter the source, too ) will start the chemical process in a genetically healthy, not damaged lymph system.

Back to genetic problems...

Thank you, GG.
ggturner

by ggturner on 19 August 2018 - 22:08

Only thing I can add is that ingested enzymes will also be
broken down during digestion just like other proteins into amino acids. Those amino acids will be used to make proteins inside the cell. Protein synthesis occurs in the cell as a result of DNA coding for proteins. RNA takes the code from DNA to the ribosomes where the code is interpreted and amino acids are “strung together” in the ribosomal complex. Amino acid sequences are then folded and packaged into proteins via the golgi complex.

As long as the cells aren’t damaged, they should be able to make proteins/enzymes.

I’m sure supplementing a dog with digestive enzymes can be beneficial in an older dog, a dog with a weak immune system, or pancreatic problem.

ggturner

by ggturner on 19 August 2018 - 22:08

Maybe I should add, for the raw vs cooked. Protein is protein (like Suzie said). Regardless of the protein food source (raw food or cooked) it will all be broken down into amino acids. Yes, heat (cooking) denatures protein but I’m not sure that matters once said protein is digested. Digestion will produce the amino acids the cells will need to make new proteins. Now denaturing the protein inside of a living cell would be a problem. But you are talking about protein from dead cells in raw meat or cooked food. As long as the living cells in the dog function correctly, the source of protein for those cells shouldn’t matter.

I’m not a molecular biologist so that’s the best I can do. A molecular biologist would be the best authority on this topic.
Prager

by Prager on 22 August 2018 - 17:08

Well I am aware of these theories. But how do you explain studies done on cats where if fed exclusively raw milk they lived and when fed pasteurized milk they eventually died. My and other's explanation is that this happens because cats at a certain age become lactose intolerant thus they need outside source of enzymes. However Raw milk provides such a source of enzymes where pasteurized milk does not provide them because during pasteurization enzymes are being destroyed. The cats cannot make those enzymes from proteins in milk, yet you say that protein is protein. Based on this fact it then safe to say that denaturalized protein is just as beneficial as raw protein is not true and neither is the the notion that dead - enzymes free food is also as beneficial as food full of natural enzymes. I personally rather learn from what is natural than from what is unnatural and cooking is not something we see in nature.

by joanro on 22 August 2018 - 18:08

Ggturner: Maybe I should add, for the raw vs cooked. Protein is protein (like Suzie said). Regardless of the protein food source (raw food or cooked) it will all be broken down into amino acids. Yes, heat (cooking) denatures protein but I’m not sure that matters once said protein is digested. Digestion will produce the amino acids the cells will need to make new proteins. Now denaturing the protein inside of a living cell would be a problem. But you are talking about protein from dead cells in raw meat or cooked food. As long as the living cells in the dog function correctly, the source of protein for those cells shouldn’t matter.

FYI, hans, none of gg' s post is Theory! It's scientific, proven fact!

As for cats and milk, it's not only cats that become lactose intolerant, it's all mammals...that is why they are weaned and the mother stops lactating! The offspring outgrow the need for milk. Diet matures to outside sources.
The mammals in general stop producing lactase for digesting lactose...milk. Comparing cooked ( pasturized) milk to other protien sources is silly. As I said, mammals stop producing lactase at a certain age, so any experiment to starve cats to death on a diet of cooked milk is stupid. All it proves is that the people doing the experiment were stupid.

If you are determined to only do what is " natural" and " only found in nature" , then to don't be a hypocrite you must turn ALL your dogs loose, let them find their own food and stop vaccinating any puppies you might find....the bitches and dogs must be allowed to breed at random, her choice, and all litters must be whelped wherever the bitch chooses to whep them. You can go on a puppy hunt with your friends and catch as catch can...but then you must release the pups to grow up in the wild... "Completely natural" !

And also, they must eat their food while still alive, like a lion eat an elephant from the rectum while it's still alive....otherwise, as per your claim, they will be eating " dead enzymes"...which is silly because animals produce their own enzymes just like dogs produce their own vitamine c.

Prager

by Prager on 22 August 2018 - 18:08

What is scientific fact?
That cooked protein is the same as raw? Then why do we cook it and processed it? What do you think? So that it stays the same? But now we are in bickering faze. So I bow out.

Prager

by Prager on 22 August 2018 - 19:08

@ggturner. To say that protein is protein and thay all will be broken down to amino acids is silly. If all proteins are the same then we could eat deadly Botulinum toxin which is also a  protein and be OK.  Researchers found that high consumption of cooked, well-done, fried, or barbecued meats was associated with increased risks of colorectal, pancreatic, and prostate cancer. So more you cook proteins more deadly they are. 

 Also

I am diabetic so I know about AGE Advanced Glycation End products which can be formed endogenously or absorbed from food. These compounds, which are glycosylated proteins, are formed in the process of heating and cooking. The mechanism by which AGEs induce damage is through a process called cross‐linking that causes intracellular damage and apoptosis. AGEs have been found to be associated with a series of diseases from allergy and Alzheimers to rheumatoid arthritis and urogenital disorders. Diabetics, in particular, are known to have high amounts of AGEs in the blood serum due to their hyperglycemia.  

 So I would not say that "protein is protein" cooked or not all the same.  

ggturner

by ggturner on 22 August 2018 - 22:08

Prager, I really don’t know what you want from me. All I did was try to answer your question about protein in a dog’s diet. Not sure why you want to argue. I never made any comments about a preference for raw or for cooked. The fact is the chemical composition of amino acids is the same regardless of the animal source. Just like water is made of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom regardless if the water source is from rain, a lake, or a puddle. Would I drink water from any source? No. Some of those sources also contain contaminants that may be unhealthy. However, water will always be two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen atom.  Water is water.  

 

With regard to the neurotoxin protein (botulinum), that is a protein from a bacterium. We are talking about animal protein sources.  Big difference!

by joanro on 22 August 2018 - 23:08



Over cooking to the point of burning black on the outside as on a
BBQ grill creates black ass carbon...not good for the consumer.

Arguing with everyone who does not buy your dazzling brilliance, aren't going to be won over with your baffling bullchitt. Give it a break, go eat some raw chicken...it's called sushi chicken.

ggturner

by ggturner on 22 August 2018 - 23:08

I researched the over cooking of food. First of all, how many people really like burnt food? Not me. However, studies are not conclusive. I include the link to over cooked meat since we are referring to animal sources of protein:

https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/diet/cooked-meats-fact-sheet

 



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