WUSV dogs that fail............ - Page 3

What  are you talking about this helpers are members and selected by dutch VDH and this deocys train with
GSD for many years.......duhhhh

we can discuss this endlessly but reality of IPOs criterias wouldn't change.
i didn't seen development of show type of dogs, we haven't had them before the fall of communist regime
but i suspect what happens now with breed toward sport direction, pretty much in general do resemble the
development from stock of normal dogs, the type, now known as show. difference only that changes directed
not into physic of dogs but into temperament and mentality. in both cases the changes were pushed from
upper rank of breed's officials, down to mass consumption.

There is a popular conception in the sport community that it is difficult to push high drive dog into fear zone. But here we see high drive dog able to reach wusv being afraid from being shouted at by decoy. Whats the new popular conception going to be?

Out of over a 150 dogs how many actually went into avoidance and "ran"?

And how many actually stopped the helper and showed real and true power?

Im not talking numbers Im talking about examples showing that this long held conception may actually contain some caveats and cannot be accepted carte blanche

The biggest problem was that several dog werent proper prepared.
Months before the WUSV there were video's of the decoys and how they work.

Many competitors are used to the German way of decoy work.
The Decoy lift the dog, pushes his elbow up and runs form point A to piont B en stands there.
In de re-attack often first a movement of the sleeve en then again lifting the dog and a run to point C.

In this competition they really tested the dogs. In the re-attack the soft stick is used as descibed in de FCI regulations. Quote:
The soft stick is used in a threatening motion above the sleeve without hitting the dog. At the same moment, the dog grips in a frontal and forward movement with corresponding resistance, without the sleeve being set into motion. The protection sleeve will be carried tight and in front of the body. Once the dog has gripped, he is to be placed out of motion to the side and the pressure phase begins in a straight direction. End-quote.
Dogs that were used to a body movement or a movement of the sleeve before the pressure phase had a problem. In the pressure phase the decoy gave a lot of pressure by bendeing over the dog.

The decoy for the second half had the sleeve on the right. For several dog was that also a problem. Plus the fact that he didnt stop to catch the dogs and gave max stick threatening

chvdberk
after reading your post i tried to imagine the perpetrator, being attacked by IPO dog, start to act as rules describes: "without the sleeve being set into motion... carried tight and in front of the body. Once the dog has gripped, he is to be placed out of motion to the side and the pressure phase begins in a straight direction... with soft stick is used in a threatening motion above the sleeve without hitting the dog".
tough call but quite interesting picture 
in mean time, you never see in competitions the dogs, which considered among GSD community worldwide as a strong, hard dogs with exelent defense. isn't strange?

Baerenfangs Erbe

Out of over a 150 dogs how many actually went into avoidance and "ran"?

And how many actually stopped the helper and showed real and true power?

http://www.profidog.cz/en/wusv-2017-vysledky/
there full list of participants with all info in regards of points, places, injuries, withdraval, disqulification... 
in total 129 dogs.
11 disqualified
2 injured
1 withdravn
16 terminated
highest score in C - 96

Valk..not strange because the dogs you suggest with excellent defense are equally unsuitable as the breed standard and would probably attack the judge and fail to out!!! IPO is a sport, people!!!! So, people who compete have sport dogs that may or may not be breed standard. We are lucky that our breed is so versatile. However, breeders take specific traits of our breed to suit their purpose...even our breed founder. Thus, certain traits are focused on for military or police; certain traits are focused on for herding; certain traits are focused on for search and rescue; certain traits are focused on for therapy or service dogs. I think that is ok as long as the MAJORITY of our german shepherd breeding base stays moderate and balanced as the foundation and becomes "the well" to tap back into.....It is the price to pay for a versatile breed but as long as we keep our base of solid dogs that can do everything but maybe not the best....that is ok! The german shepherd should not be extreme in any one trait to the expense of others. Our past and our future will always be the solid, balanced, moderate versatile german shepherd and as long as the majority of dogs remain this foundation, it should not effect the breed for others to breed specific traits that will capitalize on a particular german shepherd strength whether that is to help mankind or for sport. Of course, I would hope breeders would not focus on traits just to win a ribbon or reach the podium. However, I am proud of our breed which is able to adapt to so many different areas to help us as people. Thus, although we allow people to strengthen a trait for a specific purpose, I am adamant that the majority of our dogs must stay BALANCED. If we lose our foundation, than we lose everything....

excellent defense unsuitable as the breed standard - that's something new 
so, you don't believe the dogs with good defense can't be at same time well balanced dogs?