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by Cutaway on 30 July 2015 - 21:07

AKC is the parent Breed Registration Organization however, each breed club under the AKC sets their individual requirements for their breed. So the GSDCA sets forth the breed standard just as the American Rottweiler Club sets forth their breed standards. Every 5 years, each breed club under the AKC has to resubmit their standards or submit changes to existing standards.
But the AKC will not recognize breed requirements :(... They do offer Breeding types such as : Bread with Heart or Bread with Merritt which states that the breeding was done after the dogs have meant the breeding requirements and or health certificates the breed parent club has set forth, but if the breeder does not follow the requirements, then the litter is still register able but with out the 'special' Breeding type stamp. This information is all verifiable via the AKC Special Service dept.

That is why I believe we will always have a separation between (SU)SV and AKC / UScA and GSDCA. Sure there will always be political differences, but those are fixable via elections and by people within each org getting more active and taking actions that result in change.


Cutaway

by Cutaway on 30 July 2015 - 21:07

While the USCA follows the SV breed standard, it doesn't follow the SV breeding requirements, either--anyone can breed a litter of GSDs and register the litter with USCA without working or breed titles, AD or health requirements as well...so that's not a situation exclusive to the GSDCA.

The above statement  not exactly a true statement... Yes you can register any GSD with UScA as long as the dog is already registered with: AKC, SV, CKC, ect... However, you can only register a litter through UScA if: Both parents were registered through UScA AND if you have ment the same breed requirements the SV has put forth.

The above information is verifiable via UScA office, through the UScA Regional Breed Warden, Micheal Scarberry <--Sp?


by ILMD on 30 July 2015 - 21:07

Unless something has changed in the SV, Morton is past the mandatory retirement age. Don't know about Helen.

The requirements for an SV show judge are pretty stringent and require an apprenticeship. I guess not many in the U.S. have been willing or able to meet them

by Blitzen on 30 July 2015 - 23:07

In the US the GSDCA is the AKC parent club that is responsible for all aspects of the breed standard. They operate under the AKC umbrella and can't promulgate or enforce any rules applying to registering or showing dogs that are more stringent than those of the AKC.  It's the same for all AKC approved breeds - none require titles, health exams, etc in order to produce a registered litter.  In theory, all any breeder needs in order to registered a litter with AKC is to have 2 registered/registerable parents.

Many breed clubs have stringent codes of ethics and guidelines for member breeders, but  they can still register their dogs with AKC regardless of whether or not they conform. However,  those members could be subject for suspension or expulsion from the parent club if they are proven to be in violation.

Goldfarb and Gleason are both over the SV maximum age. As far as I know, the SV isn't enforcing that age rule in the US.

 


by Blitzen on 30 July 2015 - 23:07

The requirements for an SV show judge are pretty stringent and require an apprenticeship. I guess not many in the U.S. have been willing or able to meet them

Exactly, ILMD.  Goldfarb and Gleason had to travel to Germany for their apprenticeships. The only other AKC judges I can think of who could be eligible are Dan Smith; he too is past the SV age cutoff.  Maybe Dave Rinke who may or may not be interested; not sure he ever bred a German dog. He did attend our SV show last year and was mentored by Margit van Dorrsen, so I'm not sure if that meant anything or not? Fasano...maybe?

It cuts both ways - few ASL breeder judges care much for the German dogs and vice versa. Imagine what a job it would be to identify SV judges who could qualify or would even want to pass on ASL's in the ring. Gleason, Goldfarb have always had open minds about the breed, owned and bred both and recognize the strengths and weaknesses in both. Few I know of could do that.


by hexe on 30 July 2015 - 23:07

Cutaway, if it's now mandatory that both sire and dam must be breed surveyed in addition to the working title and AD in order to register a litter with USCA, that's a significant improvement, but that wasn't always the case.

And unfortunately while the number of working-line breeders who have their dogs breed surveyed is improving in the US, it's still far from 100% of the USCA member breeders, since the USCA registration isn't recognized as an official registration by other countries because it's not recognized by FCI as such--heck, I think it's a safe bet that there are more people breeding working-line GSDs in the US without ANY type of a working title or certification [and I'm counting those who consider a BH sufficient, because it's NOT], let alone a breed survey, than there are those who do obtain some version of a third-party evaluation of the dog's working ability. After all, this is the USA, and anyone can breed anything they want, when they want and as often as they want when it comes to dogs.


by vk4gsd on 30 July 2015 - 23:07

Susie, congrats, I am impressed you know the boxing orgs. Wasn't expecting that.

by Blitzen on 30 July 2015 - 23:07

After all, this is the USA, and anyone can breed anything they want, when they want and as often as they want when it comes to dogs.

Thumbs Up Hexe and I'm not so sure I'd want it any other way.


by Richard Medlen on 31 July 2015 - 12:07

ILMD: Morton Goldfarb has passed the mandatory retirement age for an SV judge. I very sure Helen Gleason has not! Both Helen and Morton were granted WUSV Breed Judges licenses last year after they attended the WUSV Judges Certification program. Morton was a "full" SV judge prior to his reaching his 70th birthday and still is an AKC licensed German Shepherd Dog judge. In fact, after Jack Ogren died, and unless Fred Lanting reinstated his SV Foreign Judges license, Morton was the only SV Breed Judge in this country for many years. I may be wrong, but I do not believe Helen was a SV Judge prior to receiving her WUSV License. AKC/GSDCA judges are eligible to apply for WUSV licensure and if accepted they must attend the WUSV school that is held either annually or semi-annually. I think it saddening that we have no licensed WUSV Licensed Working Dog Judges in this country but I expect that to be changing sometime soon. Before anyone jumps on me, I do know that we have some SV Foreign Working Dog Judges in both the GSDCA and USCA.  Another clarification, before I get jumped on, both GSDCA and USCA judges are eligible to apply to become WUSV Judges as judges licensed by a member organization within the WUSV but only judges licensed by a member club of the WUSV are eligible.

 


by ILMD on 31 July 2015 - 12:07

Richard, thanks for the clarification.

@Blitzen "Thumbs Up Hexe and I'm not so sure I'd want it any other way."

I pretty much agree but I look across the street. My neighbor has 2 Yorkies, the female "accidentally" bred @ 9 mo. the male wasn't much older.
Not knowing what to do with the pups, they contacted the breeder who offered them $400 for each pup (and apparently has a steady market for $800).. The female is now expecting her 5th. consecutive litter without a break and will probably have to die to get one. Sometimes rules can benefit the animals.





 


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