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kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 23 August 2016 - 02:08

Gustav, no..the NYS police don t start them, or even take them at that age. I have a good relationship with the co ordinator, who also happens to have my black male as his partner.
He will be retiring before to long so me and Chris are just planning ahead for his next dog. Hopefully one of these pups can make the cut.
You know it s a waiting thing Gustav. And I am very happy to accomidate the program. Two of my dogs have made it to become certified with the assistance of Chris, and it makes me feel fantastic about my dogs.
Like I ve said before, I give the dogs free, no money could ever compensate the wonderful feeling I get everytime I get updates.
Not sure if I will raise the dog or if Chris will, we ll have to wait and see.
My boy Bear, who is now called Easy was just over a year when I got him back from someone who duped me when I sold him as a pup, He was treated very poorly and looked like hell when I took him back.
Alot of love and attention, not to mention food brought him back around rather quickly.
I asked Chris if they could use him, he wasn t sure because the training had already begun. So I took a video of him and sent it to him anyway, and they came the next day for him and he went from my house to the training field in Cooperstown the same day....now is actually working in the Sheriffs dept k9 program upstate NY.
These guys have been to my house and met my dogs on several occassions and like what I have.
Time will tell
i certainly don t claim to be skilled enough either,

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 August 2016 - 02:08

Our country is small, we do have LESS room for clubs, we do have LESS fields for tracking - we PAY the rent for the training field, and we PAY the farmer for the use of the tracking fields...
 

 

Where I'm from, you have 30 + Active Club within a 2 hour radius in ANY direction. 

And the majority does have active helpers there. 

None of them charge guests, or if at all 50 cents into the coffee pot.

We had an abundance of tracking fields because we knew most farmers personally too. 

 

So yeah, it was by far easier than doing it here. I was able to go every.single.day to train my dogs. 

From Agility to BH Gruppe, to Protection on the weekends and tracking in the morning. 

 

I didn't have to drive far to go to a club. There ware 4 active Clubs within my city alone. Most of the time there were Clubs right across from each other. And that was just the SV Clubs, not including the VDH Clubs. 

So I can't say that I had to drive long distances at all. Not sure if it changed in the last six years, but that's what was going on before I moved to the US. Our Landesgruppe was and is extremely active.  


susie

by susie on 23 August 2016 - 05:08

You don´t get my point - that´s what I said:

"Realistic" is, that the majority of people living in the US don´t care.
In case people were interested, there would be clubs, there would be helpers, and there would be trials.

by Gustav on 23 August 2016 - 11:08

I do think " logistics" can have a major impact on " care".

by Bavarian Wagon on 23 August 2016 - 13:08

Susie...you're right. We didn't have a club in our city (a top 50 metropolitan area) and the closest clubs were both about an hour away in various directions. Took us a few months, but we have a good sized group off the ground with more people inquiring weekly. When you give people the availability...they'll show up and train. All it takes is for a small group to care enough to start doing their own thing.

Baerenfangs...what do you think are "breedworthy titles" in the United States now?

Cutaway

by Cutaway on 23 August 2016 - 14:08

@Baerenfangs Erbe & susie  

Where I'm from, you have 30 + Active Club within a 2 hour radius in ANY direction. 
And the majority does have active helpers there. 
None of them charge guests, or if at all 50 cents into the coffee pot.
We had an abundance of tracking fields because we knew most farmers personally too. 

You both suck (in a "I am jealous way")... I have to drive 60 - 90 minutes one way to go tracking. I am a member of a decent club that i really enjoy and am fortunate to only live within a 30 minute drive from. However, its a young club so i often visit another club which is a 9 hour drive away to train with some seasoned guys   


Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 August 2016 - 14:08

@Cutaway: That was back in Germany. We've moved to the US 6 years ago and it's been very difficult since then. I've got my own training group now and my own business, also have a fantastic young handler (that's actually been a moderator on this forum) and her husband that are both very involved.

But we are still lacking major tracking opportunities and have to use what we can get on the military post, which is basically all Gras and dirt.

We've slowly built up an arsenal of blinds, meter jumps, and Kelly has an A Frame. Her husband is learning how to be a helper and he's very good at it too. Lot's of talent in that little family. :)

However, once the military moves them, I'm right where I started at... but my passion is detection anyways. :)

Baerenfangs Erbe

by Baerenfangs Erbe on 23 August 2016 - 14:08

Baerenfangs...what do you think are "breedworthy titles" in the United States now?

 

No title makes a dog breedworthy. Just because a dog is titled doesn't mean the dog should be bred. So let's get that out of the way.

How many dogs are out there that titled and shouldn't be bred? 

Also, how many big name/high level competition stud owners actually bred their big name males to untitled females or females with just a BH? How many big name breeders breed their untitled females to titled males? One very well known breeder in the US bred to a female thats not even AKC registered. Pups are basically half a year old and still have no AKC papers. Bitch isn't titled either but has the genetics. 

 

Never again will I loose genetics over a title. If the genetics are there, you'd (general you) be dumb not to use them over the lack of a title. It's just as dumb as not allowing the use of semen over in Germany. 

 

As for titles, IPO, RH, HGH, any working certification NAPWDA, NASAR, NYSFEDSAR, SDONA, or whatever else is out there. Actually trained and working Service Dogs (retired females, active males), depending how competitive you are, high level competition Nosework (not the pet style, I'm talking about Nosework applied to showcase drive and intensity of the dog, you can utilize that sport for selection purpose just as much as IPO if you know how to use it). 

But I am honestly looking at the total dog rather than the titles itself. 


by Bavarian Wagon on 23 August 2016 - 16:08

Yeah what I’ve seen from breeders who scream “I won’t lose genetics over a title” is that they quickly lose any type of working ability because they don’t get the objective review from a judge about what their dog is capable of. They raise their dogs, accept mediocrity, and each generation the dogs get worse and worse and the breeder just ignores it and points to an empty pedigree that at some point 3 generations ago produced decent dogs and now produces glorified pets. Few if any placements are going into real working venues. A few people achieve certifications and the dogs are still considered working dogs even though they’re not actually put in place to work. Countless dogs achieving certifications well beyond any sort of “useable” age to even be sold into a working venue. It’s what I call fun. If it takes you 4-5 years to certify a dog for bomb work or drug work and yet a real K9 can do it by the time they’re 1.5…you have to question the dog’s ability and what that certification actually means. Why did it take that long? Were there huge challenges involved? People like to avoid comparing their dogs to others…which is the biggest reason why working ability gets lost. The baseline minimum in each breeder’s own opinion decreases with each generation of their loving line and without titling/competitions they don’t realize it.

susie

by susie on 23 August 2016 - 17:08

Cutaway, you don´t need to be jealous - from my house it´s at least 45 minutes one way to reach the next club, and 1 hour to reach (several) decent clubs - I am surrounded by hills and trees, almost no IPO / FH tracking ground...

That´s not the norm, but my German reality. In need to earn money during the day I used to walk and train my dogs with a flash light in the dark months ( October - April ).

That´s not the norm, but "my" German reality.

Baerenfang, I am glad you have been able to find others interested in training dogs. Maybe that´s the birth of a new club...who knows?

Otherwise I am with Bav: "People like to avoid comparing their dogs to others…which is the biggest reason why working ability gets lost. The baseline minimum in each breeder’s own opinion decreases with each generation of their loving line and without titling/competitions they don’t realize it."

This is a general statement, for sure it doesn´t fit for every breeder who doesn´t title, but as a basic message it´s true in my mind.






 


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