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Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 18 July 2017 - 18:07

Here in the UK when a dog is submitted for a Survey - our equivalent of the Korung - it is conducted by assessors from a Survey Panel. Different from the German system. The owner (or breeder) of the dog completes base information on an application form, in advance. Mistakes happen. Our Surveyor should pick things like that up - but they don't always !  And what happens in Czech, I have no idea.

I'm not even so confident that Kormeisters are infallible.


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 18 July 2017 - 18:07

sorry DP again ! Edit function is being contankerously over sensitive as sometimes happens.


Turtske

by Turtske on 19 July 2017 - 04:07

I looked up Ejko Joarko on working-dog.eu and found another photo for her.  it shows a much clearer picture of a solid black coat.

https://www.working-dog.com/dogs-details/2604506/Ejko-Janarko

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something is fishy to me. 2 solid blacks producing a sable....


Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 19 July 2017 - 05:07

Yep.  Can't argue with that !


by RRoman on 20 July 2017 - 14:07

I have a question too, I got my GSD, he's about 10 months old, and he doesn't have a pedigree, how can I get a pedigree for my dog? that are the steps that I have to follow, keeping im mind that I dont know anything about the parents, I have the dog from a friend that moves out of state. Based on general signs, the dog is a pure bread german shepard.

Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 20 July 2017 - 14:07

If you know NOTHING about the dog's parents, there is no way you can prove it is pure bred German shepherd (note spelling of highlighted words) and no way you can get a pedigree for it. Pedigrees cannot be produced out of thin air.

Do you know if your friend's dogs were registered? If he/she can find papers for them, or give you the registered names, then there's a chance you could get your dog registered.

In Canada, we have the PEN number for dogs that are obviously pure bred, but of unknown pedigree. It allows you to compete in performance events like tracking, obedience and agility. You must have a vet sign a declaration that in his/her opinion, the dog is purebred, and has been neutered (proof of spay/neuter must be provided) You must also provide 2 clear photos of the dog, one taken from the side and one from the front. And, of course, you have to pay a fee.

I don't know what the current rules are for the AKC. I believe they have changed since I last looked into them.


by RRoman on 20 July 2017 - 15:07

gotcha, thanks for the quick response.. I was thinking a DNA test can prove that the dog is a pure bread ( also the vet signed declaration, or whatever else is needed) , and they can create pedigree based on that..

I'm new to this :)

thanks again
 

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Sunsilver

by Sunsilver on 20 July 2017 - 17:07

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Yes, a DNA test might be able to prove if your dog is pure BRED or not. However - do you even know what a pedigree is?? A DNA test is not going to be able to tell you exactly which German shepherds were the parents of your specific dog.

Here's what a pedigree looks like. All the dogs in it will have registration papers issued by the kennel club of the country where they were born, in this case, the German S.V. There is a great deal of information given on it, and the numbers and letters all mean something: VA1 is the title given to the top dog in Germany at the annual Sieger show. It means Ursus was the Sieger for the year 2000. Sch 3 means he has a schutzhund 3 degree, KK1 means he's had his koer examination, and was rated as being highly recommended for breeding. SZ 1932624 is his registration number with the SV, the German registration club. Underneath that, you will see he has had his hips and elbows x-rayed, and they have been given an a1 rating, the highest rating under the German system. He has also been DNA tested (gepruft) and has an ear tattoo.

http://www.pedigreedatabase.com/german_shepherd_dog/dog.html?id=6186-ursus-von-batu
 

As for your dog's photo, it's difficult to say if he's pure bred. He COULD be, but there's something about his face and ears that doesn't look quite right for a GSD. It is really hard to tell from a photo. I have seen dogs that you would swear were purebred GSD that were actually only half GSD, and the other parent was something that really didn't show in the dog's conformation at all.

I could probably say a bit more if I saw the dog standing the way Ursus is in his photo. 


kitkat3478

by kitkat3478 on 20 July 2017 - 20:07

not sure of accuracy but this is what i thought
http://www.altostland.com/colors.html[source]


COLOR GENETICS
in German Shepherd Dogs
This will only cover the "common" German Shepherd colors - Sable, Black and tan, Bicolor and Black.
Please note that white is not a "color" but a masking gene, which I will not cover here.
Color genetics is very fascinating to me. Having read many articles on it, and studying it within the lines in my own kennel, I have
noticed that most articles make it sound much more complicated than I think it is. So, I thought I would simplify it as much as possible.

The order of color dominance is: Sable (aw), Black and Tan (as), Bicolor (at), and Black(a).

Each dog inherits 2 color genes - one from each parent.

One is the dominant (expressed) gene, and that is the color that the dog IS.

The other recessive (hidden) gene is a secondary color that is carried and can be expressed in that dog's puppies.

Sable is never recessive. If a dog inherits the sable gene, it will BE sable. A pup cannot be sable unless at least one parent is sable.

Black is completely recessive to all other genes, so both parents must give a black gene for a puppy to be black, and the only color that
dog will pass on to its puppies is black.

The table below explains things pretty well:
THE COLOR OF THE PARENT ONLY TELLS HALF THE STORY
IT IS IMPERATIVE TO KNOW THE RECESSIVE GENES EACH PARENT CARRIES TO ESTIMATE THE COLORS TO EXPECT IN A LITTER
***Always remember the puppies can inherit the recessive color gene from both parents, and not be colored like either one of them***
the more dominant (expressed) color is always listed first, and the recessive second

SABLES:

Fantom76 (admin)

by Fantom76 on 20 July 2017 - 20:07

Just saw this. Have no idea how accurate it is . but it is a new company that is called Embark.  (They) now sell DNA kits which will tells owners a dog's pedigree, where their dog comes from and, crucially, if they posses a genetic variant for one of more than 100 genetically inherited diseases.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/breed-dog-test-dna-170844226.html






 


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