German Shepherd Dog > dog fights????help please (27 replies)
dog fights????help please
by azhar on 08 April 2012 - 17:59
|I HAVE 2 MALE GERMAN SHEPHERD MALE DOGS THEY A FEW MONTHS APART BUT THE 1 MALE IS BIGGER AND STRONGER THAN THE OTHER 1 THEY 2 AND HALF YEARS OLD AND THEY BEEN FIGHTING FROM 7MONTHS OLD BUT THE SMALLER 1 ALWAYS CRIED BEFORE THE FIGHT STARTED AND THE FIGHT WOULDNT BE AS BAD AS THE FIGHT THEY HAD TODAY..THE BIGGER MALE WAS MATING AT MY AUNTS PLACE AND HE WAS GONE FOR 2 WEEKS TODAY I BROUGHT HIM HOME AND THE FIGHT STARTED IT WAS BAD VERY BAD THOU BUT I NOTICED THE SMALLER SHEPHERD BEING MORE HAPPIER AND MORE HIMSELF OVER THE 2 WEEKS THE OTHER ONE WAS GONE AND ALSO VERY PROTECTIVE OVER HIS GROUNDS AND TODAY WHEN THE FIGHT STARTED THE SMALLER ONE ACTUALY FOUGHT BACK AND SHOWED NO FEAR TOWARDS THE BIGGER ONE HE DIDNT CRY ONCE NOR DID HE BACKOFF HE CAME OFF SECOND BEST BUT HE STOOD HIS GROUNDS AND ACTUALY SEND A MESSAGE TO BIGGER ONE THAT HE AINT SCARED THE PREVIOUS FIGHTS WAS NEVER THIS BAD BECAUSE IT WONT LAST LONG BECAUSE SMALLER ONE JUST CRIED AND NEVER FOUGHT BACK MY QUESTION IS WILL THIS BE A PROBLEM WILL THINGS GET WORSE THAN THIS PLEASE HELP ME PLEASE ADVISE ME HOW I SHOULD GO ABOUT THINGS THEY CALMED DOWN A BIT NOW BUT THE BIGGER ONE STILL SHOWS NO SIGNS OF PEACE AND HE ENCOURAGES A FIGHT EVERY FEW MINUTES .|
by dragonfry on 08 April 2012 - 18:12
|Seriously? You can't figure out that the males that are intact will continue to fight and sooner or later one will be very seriously injured or killed?|
Is this your first time owning a dog????
Fine a new home for one or both dogs if you can't afford to keep them seperated in kennels.
Nothing good will come from keeping them together.
by ronin on 08 April 2012 - 18:40
|This will never be fixed with your level of experience, I had my thumb amputated last year when two bitches of mine got together accidentally, my thumb was bitten off in a second, I then endured several hours surgery whilst awake as they amputated the rest.|
One of these dog's needs to be in a kennel, one in the house, swap them about if needed, the trigger for fights can be as little as who gets to stand nearest you, food, toys, females, territory and excitement are all big triggers.
You or family could get seriously hurt, how do think either dog feels living in a constant state of anxiety knowing they could be attacked at any moment.
You need to seriously raise you game as a dog a owner.
NB; your little one hasn't suddenly got brave by standing up to the big one, these aren't children, he's in defence drive because he believes he may actually get killed!
by joanro on 08 April 2012 - 19:00
|Absolute truth from Ronin. Take advice from experienced people. Two males don't belong in the same place at the same time. Nothing good will ever come from such a situation.|
by Q Man on 08 April 2012 - 19:28
|Very simple...If you can't control them together...|
by Supertanker on 08 April 2012 - 20:34
|What they said.|
You'll never have peace and sounds like you don't have the experience to make it work.
And if you're not clear the bigger dogs goal is to kill the smaller one, which may or may not happen...
by Keith Grossman on 08 April 2012 - 21:40
|Listen to what everyone is telling you. This is a problem and it will get worse.|
by azhar on 08 April 2012 - 22:24
|yes i was considering to seperate them or actualy find home for 1 of them they both very precious to me but i cant see the 1 suffering like that and its first time they fight this bad and also first time i have two male dogs but i do know that if they fight to not try and break it up cs u can get hurt real bad so stay away and try from distance to stop it|
thanx for advise really got to consider it and i also have a female dog with a male puppy that i planned on keeping will the pup life be in danger too?
by joanro on 08 April 2012 - 23:49
|If you need to ask that question after all this advice, then you are way out of your league.|
by aceofspades on 09 April 2012 - 00:13
|What you are experiencing is something that will at some point almost always happen when you keep intact dogs of the same gender together. This will happen with intact males kept together and also with unstated females. I have been lucky and in my 15 years with GSDs I have only ever had one major altercation and it was between my females. I think part Of the reason we have been so lucky is because we have acergae and the dogs all have tons of room to be away from one another. It was about a year ago that my girls got into it and they were both in season at the time. Fortunately a firm OUT was enout to startle them and give a firm correction. This The only time they have come in to season together and it (fight) has never happened again, but I am sure it won't be the last time. It may not be these dogs again but I am sure we will run in to it again at some point.|
by Siantha on 09 April 2012 - 00:40
|yep i have never personaly had a problem but my dogs are NEVER together inless i am there they are crated or in their kennels if im not superviseing play. and they know if they fight they will get in trouble and never do when im around. but i never ever push buttons or forget to seperate all of my guys|
by dogshome9 on 09 April 2012 - 01:47
Take notice of what you have been told, it is all excellent advice.
YOU and only YOU have allowed your smaller dog to be dominated you should be ashamed of yourself NO dog should have to live in that kind of stressful situation. Why didn't you stop that??
Now you have to deal with the consequeses of your in action.
I have females that were great together for 3 years but one day in excitement they bumped into each other and it was on (it was not serious) but since that day they are never together unless they are supervised because I know how easy a fight can happen.
In your situation I feel that it is critical that you separate the dogs and NEVER EVER allow them together because one will die for sure and
IF you need to ask about the safety of your puppy then you should not be the owner of any German Shepherd at all.
You came here for advice and I really hope that you are listening.
by joanro on 09 April 2012 - 01:55
|Several posters have mentioned not letting their dogs of the same gender together unless supervised. These are experienced gsd owners and obviously have respect from their dogs. So, do not think that because those people can manage their dogs safely together that you (op) can.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 09 April 2012 - 04:16
|SEPARATE THEM! KEEP THEM SEPARATED! ONLY RUN MALE WITH A FEMALE..! Your larger male will end up KILLING the smaller one..Believe what you want, I can guarantee it. YR|
by doggiedoo on 09 April 2012 - 14:43
so you have been lettin them fight in front of you for 2 years now?
i DONT agree that you cant have 2 intact males together ever...lots of variables there.. I do agree that YOU personally should never keep therse 2 intact males together...
keep these dogs separated, you will not be able to undo 2 years of bad stuff that you let happen right in front of your own eyes.
Once 2 dogs decide they want to try to kill eachother, and have gotten into some serious fighting, it is very difficult to get any kind of order back, between those 2 dogs...
by Rass on 09 April 2012 - 15:40
|1.) Your larger male was off "mating" for 2 weeks. Oh that changed the game for sure! Now he is an adult and he is breeding. |
2.) Younger male has been alone home and he has established his territory. Other dog comes home after breeding and you thought all was going to be FINE? Hello???
3.) You have a female (something for them to seriously fight over).
4.) You have, or are getting, a puppy.. something else to mess this up further.
I always wonder if the breeding male is tested (hips and genetic disease) and titled before breeding. Was he? If not why is he being used for breeding?
Why are all these dogs intact and breedable? Are they tested/titled?
Get 4 chain link kennels. Keep the dogs separated. Keep the males in the two outside kennels. Four dogs is a LOT to handle and work with. Why are you wanting to have 4 dogs? Huge work, money and responsibility to do that many dogs right.
by GK1 on 09 April 2012 - 21:45
Beware - even if 'separated', they may find a way to get at each other in a fight for dominance. Case in point. I responded a couple weeks ago (I'm a city police officer) to a dog fight in progress. Two female pits nearly killed each other. Found out later they were not only both spayed, but separated by a fence and kennel. Homeowners were at work.
by yellowrose of Texas on 09 April 2012 - 22:28
|RASS & GK1" Yes, both of you hit some nails on heads.... Also only those of us experienced in years of training these powerful males and females, know how to seperate two males fighting.. BUT it takes two people or some ingeniuity..I had to do it three times by myself...but I used a door to the barn to put head of Austins in while I choked with my other arm , Dieter on a collar, and after he released for a second shoved with my boot Austin inside the barn with the metal heavy door slammed shut and got bit , of course, but them immed got dieter in a kennel. I have used a tree to wrap one male around as I got bit, and then pull the hind two legs of the other one as they will never release, I can assure you, and then try to grab the collar of the one with two legs, to get into a kennel. THE amount of power a male gets when inraged is three times his weight. I have had a 300 pound man have an almost impossible time containing Rito, on of my 90 lb males at his vets office, with Rito inbetween his legs , with a leash and collar and muzzle on. The power they have is more than most know. Unless you have been on the working end of these males, you have no clue what you are in for. I do not ever want any male fighting till death nor even 5 minutes.. 3times in my life here I have accidently let out the wrong dog...and that is what I had to stop and put into control...I used the kennel doors the last time to cram a head into and wait for the release of the one on the outside and then shove quickly into the kennel locking that one in, but you still have a male on the outside in killer mode. NO commands, nor water or stick will stop them... not mine anyway..MY fault for letting out the wrong dog..but I knew how to remedy it...and got both dogs safely apart and to their safety.. I was the one covered in blood and you do get bit. Dog fights are not to be tolerated . I handle all other fights immediately but if they get connected and it excellerates, the end is not nice and can be bad for you and the dogs.. I had plenty of lessons from trainers as how to stop it...and I use all the info given. A lot of germans can be stopped, mine do not have a stop if It gets started. THEY do have a stop before it goes into a fight IF I am there to visualize it. WHEn YOU LET the wrong dog out, I was unaware, until they met muzzle to muzzle...then I had the chore of stopping it.. HAD I not had men trainers from my training day show me and instruct me on how and what to do first, I would probably lost two or one of my males..AND I might have been more seriously hurt. SO do not put two males together unless you have had training yourself.|
by yellowrose of Texas on 09 April 2012 - 22:37
|Sorry but I have no dashboard again to make paragraphs etc. I did not type above like it printed out...sorry It got fixed for three days. YR|
by howlk9 on 10 April 2012 - 04:10
|Maybe I am overstepping here, but based on the situation, the actions taken, and the decisions already made, maybe having these dogs is not the right thing for you right now. Keep one and learn how to deal with a shepherd (or dogs in general), then think about expanding.|