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Chaz Reinhold

by Chaz Reinhold on 22 February 2017 - 02:02

7-16 weeks is the most vital time for socialization in a dog. If you miss that window, you may be screwed.

My old neighbors were Italian Greyhound lovers (Dalmatians before that) lol. The first one, they bought from a mall. So it was literally mauled. He was fine. Except for health. The next one they bought from a breeder a little older like yours. It was a skiddish p.o.s. After the mall dog died, they decided to get another to pal around with the P.O.S. I told her to make sure to get it at a younger age. I explained to her that the breeder, no matter how good they are, won't have the time she would to socialize, etc. To this day, she can't thank me enough.

I would never buy a puppy at that age unless I trusted the breeder or I saw it in person.

by CelticSpirit on 22 February 2017 - 09:02

Hi Koots,

Below are excerpts from email with the breeder.

Breeder:

"Her charácter is really wonderful, just perfect, a real happy family dog,

very easy going, she likes to do all,
no fear at all, you can do all with her what you like to learn her.
She is strong and a big puppy.
She is a really long coat girl.
If you like you can go to expositions also, she is sure a champion"

Breeder: "This is an unique litter in Europe, no one has these bloodlines and all ancestors are champions"

Breeder: "It would be so nice if you go with her to expositions, I am a 100% sure she will do great
and she has a lot of potential, sure the judges are very satisfied with this girl"

Would you consider the above to be a promise or guarantee?


by CelticSpirit on 22 February 2017 - 09:02

Hi Chaz,

It seems I may be screwed, I'm aware now that the 8 to 16 week period is vital to development and socialisation
It's becoming clear that this pup was kept in a secluded area with little to no socialisation with people or places.

We wanted to enter competitions/shows with her but that doesn't look like it will happen and breeding is out of the question in future as I wouldn't want to breed from a very nervous dog.

I would never again buy a puppy in this manner, unseen and trusting the breeder so much.


by vk4gsd on 22 February 2017 - 09:02

This situation is precisely why some here that care about the breed promote objective public testing of breed stock.

Others just promote puppies to sell based on precisely the things you were told.

Now its a fuk up, what may I ask are you going to do with this poor innocent animal.

There is much good you can still gain, believe it or not.

You might also want to enter the conversations on those that promote testing breeding stock and those that promote their "hunks".

Hundmutter

by Hundmutter on 22 February 2017 - 10:02

Part of the problem VK is that the BBS being a relatively newly created Breed was in such a hurry to get away from its GSD 'roots' that one of the things that got left behind was any talk or organisation of, or committment to, ANY kind of sport / work / training that would have helped them continue to maintain solid character & temperament.

by GSCat on 22 February 2017 - 10:02

You might have to spend a lot of time with her one-on-one in quiet where she learns to trust you and then socialize her. While socializing,anytime she starts acting anxious/fearful, back off to her last comfort spot/zone, reset, and then proceed a little slower. Some dogs take a longer time getting to know their owners, just like some people take longer to warm up to strangers, but then everything is fine. Some dogs have a hard time with loud/sudden noises/movement, strange people/places and you have to work a lot extra with them. It sounds like it will be necessary for you to have extra patience with your dog, but it will be worthwhile in the end, whether you show or not. You might try a local dog club for training and assistance (could be show or working type club). With a much wider group of people and experience than just contacting one or two trainers, you probably have a better chance of finding someone that had the same type of problem and found good solution(s)/techniques.

Good luck!

by CelticSpirit on 22 February 2017 - 10:02

Hi VK,

Well it looks like I'll have to keep the animal as no other option was put forward.
It will be a pet, won't be shown or used for breeding as I wouldn't want to have pups with an unbalanced character.

She is a good nature dog with myself and partner but she doesn't have the temperament for showing or IPO/Schtzh
The future holds lots of unknowns, we will do our best with her but her nervousness is prominent and its possible it could turn into nervous aggression as she gets older, hopefully not.

For now I'm awaiting a reply from the breeder to a more firmly worded email as the breeder basically dismissed my concerns as being either starting with me or nothing to do with them.

by CelticSpirit on 22 February 2017 - 10:02

Hi Hundmutter,

As far as I know, there are breeders of good, confident temperament working BBS, I know of one in Germany who has gone to great lengths to maintain the working characteristics of the breed but they had no litters available for this year so I began to look elsewhere and put a lot of trust in this breeder.

Based on their website and our communication I really thought the breeder was reliable and trustworthy but regardless of the end outcome I would never purchase a dog by this method again.


by vk4gsd on 22 February 2017 - 11:02

Hund, totally misleading. All breeders that don't test their breeding stock are in the same boat no matter if the breed is 150 years old or 150 minutes old.

Celtic I have a timid dog and the benefit is she is the most loyal dog I have and the one with the best obed, also the most protective. These type of dogs once you have their trust form the strongest bonds and view you like a god.

I never use treats to train her, just a pat and a kind praise fulfills the dog. I do no bite work with her but she is my sharpest most aggressive dog toward defending her property or defending me, a scary fukin defence monster. She never voluntarily leaves my side and will happily sit at my feet for hours just to be near me. Its part of their psychological make up. A twig snaps at night she will dive thru a window and run straight to it at full speed while the other big dogs sleep.

My other more sound dogs see me as a source of stimulation for their non-stop entertainment.

Hope that helps...or maybe not.


Koots

by Koots on 22 February 2017 - 12:02

Unfortunately, unless you have a written, signed contract (look at some GSD breeders sites for examples), all the emails are just one person's observations/opinions. The contract will be titled as such.

Also - a contract can be only as good as the breeder's practices.





 


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